Coach Mazsik and many other Halo Coaches

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

This week when looking at some of the MLG Forums, I noticed that Coach Mazsik has not gotten all the respect that he needs. He not only was able to help Final Boss reclaim their title in Halo 3, along with the previous coaches, Joe Fries and Pistolas Brother?. Final Boss was able to finish the Halo 3 Season with a championship win. Now only is that impressive, he also has coached teams like Triggers Down to victory and also Believe The Hype to win the 2009 Championship in Orlando. So upon review I see him as one of the best Halo coaches thus far, can't forget Bravo, Towey, Lammie, and Coach XXX. But is it possible to name anymore coaches who have helped teams more by their addition then the ones who have been named? I'd like to hear some responses back.

[itwuzmagik]

Bravo def. deserves props. Also don't let bossnasti see this lol he thinks he is the greatest coach of all time and is better than all other coaches.

[D Moralize]

Kill3n was FB's coach before mazsik, but he didnt make it to one of the events so they dropped him and picked up some random kid, I dont think it was pistola's brother. The thing with coaches is its extremely hard to gauge how effective they were because of so many factors outside of their control, brackets, team changes, practice, and people just not playing well. I think its possible for a good coach to have a bad placing with a team and it not be their fault, and the other way around. I think the only real way to know if a coach is good or not is to ask the players they have coached.

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

Yeah it was Joe fries, killen, dude that pistola knows, and last 2 events maszik

[SullyVan]

Kill3n was FB's coach before mazsik, but he didnt make it to one of the events so they dropped him and picked up some random kid, I dont think it was pistola's brother. The thing with coaches is its extremely hard to gauge how effective they were because of so many factors outside of their control, brackets, team changes, practice, and people just not playing well. I think its possible for a good coach to have a bad placing with a team and it not be their fault, and the other way around. I think the only real way to know if a coach is good or not is to ask the players they have coached.
I agree with this. but all the coaches named by daMu are amazing!

[Cheeky]

Heres something that I wrote a Little while ago about Coaches which Makes sense with respect to coaches:

I believe coaches don’t get enough respect and commendation for what they do seeing as how they get to stand behind the players the whole time without sitting down, giving call-outs, helping their team push to break set-ups, giving weapon and custom spawn times, and just being there for the team to hype them up when they are down. Coaches are not only part of the team, but they can be compared to a player with the knowledge of the game, and predictions giving them the edge over other teams. I consider coaches to be, depending on effectiveness, 0-15% of a team, again they are not playing, but they can cause a major game changing push and or give clutch calls the normally players wouldn’t realize because coaches are able to view all screens and not just one.

@ D_Moralize: Great post about coaches, One way to find out if a Coach is effective or not Is to see how the teams that they have coached think of them, not only as a coach, but as an Individual, because If your personalities clash then that could be a problem also.

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

@ what cheeky said:
I totally agree with what a Coach can bring and how many aren't respected. When I went to an event with a coach rather than without one I seemed to have done better, since the coach was constantly in our ear telling us what was going on.

[ThisGuyPwnage]

i love the idea of having a coach.. they can see things that players cant and they get what the big picture is and they tell the team where they should be and how to pace their game

halo coaches are like music conductors.. no instrument in sight but they set the tone and pace of what things happen and they do it organized and smooth

[Cheeky]

i love the idea of having a coach.. they can see things that players cant and they get what the big picture is and they tell the team where they should be and how to pace their game

halo coaches are like music conductors.. no instrument in sight but they set the tone and pace of what things happen and they do it organized and smooth

Exactly and If Teams didn't have a coach, or that Fifth person in their ear how do you think the gameplay would be....Errors and miss-communication. With a coach the team is 100% complete, but coaches can be put on a scale and can be weighed by a percentage on how much they help the team and by what they bring to the team. Most Coaches actually want to compete, but its whether or not if they have the time, IK most coaches are over the age of 18 and are in College or in Grad School so its hard to game.

[KRILLIN]

Maz is the man. I don't care what anyone says!

[Fir3]

I think TSquared helped SQ get 2nd place.. TSquared was a good coach because he was a pro and he knows what other pros would want from a coach. It's hard to say who is and isn't a good coach, it's more personal preference.

[D Moralize]

I think its easier to equate coaches to say, a pair of headphones rather than the 5th player. Without good headphones you may blame your loss on miss communication and not hearing call outs, but when they are working fine they may be the reason you hear a guy sneaking up behind you, yet you will get all of the credit for the win, coaches are expected to be able to do a number of things, anything more or above that is all based on the needs or wants of the individual working with them and will be treated as such.

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

Looking at Halo 3 many pro players have coached during the championships. T2 to SQ during Dallas 2010, ace to str8 Orlando 2008, elumnite (think that's how it's spelled) to dynasty Dallas 2010, ant to darkest hour I think dc 2010. And I've seen them coach teams during the LANs just to help them.

Also another statement not to contradict my statement, but some teams have also done well without a coach. Like fb in the 2007 season in Vegas. When they won the championship without dropping a game I believed without a coach.

[Cheeky]

Looking at Halo 3 many pro players have coached during the championships. T2 to SQ during Dallas 2010, ace to str8 Orlando 2008, elumnite (think that's how it's spelled) to dynasty Dallas 2010, ant to darkest hour I think dc 2010. And I've seen them coach teams during the LANs just to help them.

Also another statement not to contradict my statement, but some teams have also done well without a coach. Like fb in the 2007 season in Vegas. When they won the championship without dropping a game I believed without a coach.

Agreed, Also Halo 2 was more Individual skill based, Teamwork based games need coaches because they will help. I consider coaches to be a 5th player, not a player in the respect of the pro players, but not only does he have to play the game, but he also needs to show up to the tournaments. He is a player, he just doesn't play in the tournament, he coaches with his teams strengths in mind.

I have played in 2 events and got LBR3 both times. Does it mean Im not very good......No. Means we as a team were not communicating. I had one coach who stood in back of us and said the whole time...." Good Job Guys" And thats all.... I had another coach the second time who just gave weapon times and would say good job, and every once in a while would give a call out for us. We were not the best team, but I believe with a good coach who knew how to play the game and didn't get enticed by his players that we would have done better.

^ Not really sure if this makes sense lol, Im tired so yea.

Just for reference: But anyone can coach a team, but can that person actually "Coach" the team?
Coaches should show leadership when needed, not only call out weapon times, but make sure that the individual players who are strong with those weapons get them in the time of need, make sure the team sets up to get power weapons, spawn camp the other team, calm down the team if a player gets angry about something, motivate them.

Personally I do pretty much all of that and more..... At the moment I am in a bit of a pickle because I would of been a better coach at Halo 3, Halo: Reach will take me time to learn fully.

Going to Michigan tomorrow with Adrenaline and the rest of SyA to LAN GMM will make a thread and update tomorrow once I get to Michigan safe and sound!

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

Will say coaching isn't just telling players info it's about basically how he said being a 5th player who is able tl see all the screens and able to talk just doesn't play.

[Kamikazeewoks]

Yeah Big Props to all those Coaches and a Coach i think also deserves props is T2 for leading SQ!

[D Moralize]

Just for reference: But anyone can coach a team, but can that person actually "Coach" the team?
Coaches should show leadership when needed, not only call out weapon times, but make sure that the individual players who are strong with those weapons get them in the time of need, make sure the team sets up to get power weapons, spawn camp the other team, calm down the team if a player gets angry about something, motivate them.

I think the best coach for a team is a player who is skilled, but just dosent have the time to play. I do think T2 did a great job coaching SQ, but not just because of his knowledge of the game, but because he has proven his skill and success he actually coached them, he said aaron go here, clete do this. he was assertive and not scared of them not listening or getting mad or telling him to STFU noob. Coaches in major sports have been there, they have played at the top, so they are respected and listened to and everyone benefits.This is where the coaching paradox begins, I think once players start respecting coaches, they will gain confidence and start thinking of themselves as vital to the teams success instead of privileged to be there and the level of coaching in this league will skyrocket. Basically once players start respecting coaches then more coaches will be worthy of respect and not just that select few.

[KRILLIN]

T2 was great at Dallas. I got to hang with him and SQ a lot and they all agreed that he helped them get over the 4th place hump.

[CT Legacy]

the reason I think T2 did so well as a coach is because obviously his knowledge of the game but the main reason is he's a natural leader. Every team he's ever had he's been the leader of. He's incredibly smart and also has a very calm approach to everything, he's not a spaz like some coaches are...

[KRILLIN]

It was fun watching him do his thing.

[RagingChickens]

Look at Instinct this year. When they were winning in Orlando and Columbus, and even Raleigh, they had every power weapon. As an FB fan, I would always hate to see them play Instinct because I knew that Towey had the power weapons locked down.

Mazsik has also done a great job with Final Boss and I can't wait to see him in Reach!

[KRILLIN]

Look at Instinct this year. When they were winning in Orlando and Columbus, and even Raleigh, they had every power weapon. As an FB fan, I would always hate to see them play Instinct because I knew that Towey had the power weapons locked down.

Mazsik has also done a great job with Final Boss and I can't wait to see him in Reach!

This is going to be a really interesting season. I can't wait to see it in person!

[darkon124]

i think that every good team needs a coach for call outs, timer push synchronization etc but we gotta remember that even if the coach is calling out the rockets respawn it will the the player that will have to 5 shot the opponent and grab the power weapon. I mean a coach is nothing without good player, while good player can do well without a coach.

i am not sure but i think dinasty was playing without a coach for few tournament... i may be wrong though.

[Makin]

Bravo and Mazsik are defiantly the top coaches, Toweyy coming in close behind.

[TheOutlaw]

I think the coaches don't get enough respect at all. Coaches are a huge part of the team winning. Yes the player have to do the hard work but the coaches are what always them to focus more in the game. They are the strategic generals of the FPS warfare. Props to all coaches as a player trust me you are well respected as a member of the team and you guys do a great good. Keep up the great work.

[Faster Eddie]

Kill3n was FB's coach before mazsik, but he didnt make it to one of the events so they dropped him and picked up some random kid, I dont think it was pistola's brother. The thing with coaches is its extremely hard to gauge how effective they were because of so many factors outside of their control, brackets, team changes, practice, and people just not playing well. I think its possible for a good coach to have a bad placing with a team and it not be their fault, and the other way around. I think the only real way to know if a coach is good or not is to ask the players they have coached.

I think D_Moralize makes a great point. Too much is out of the coaches control to gage who is the best coach off of tournament wins. I'm not saying they're not good coaches I'm just saying I think the best way is to ask the players who have been coached by all these coaches.

[Gearijigu]

I believe that coaches can make a HUGE difference and they are the unsung heroes of the MLG scene props to all of the coaches out there

[americanbash]

A good coach can take a great team and make them champions. :D Anyway I wonder who the new coach of FB will be now that mazsik got the boot.

[KRILLIN]

A good coach can take a great team and make them champions. :D Anyway I wonder who the new coach of FB will be now that mazsik got the boot.

I was wondering the same thing. I know they told him they don't want a coach but then Ogre 2 said on the stream chat that it was for personal reasons that they let Mazsik go. If that's the case, then there's no reason that they won't find another coach and since they've had one for quite some time now, I don't see them taking the chance on losing the opener because of it. Out of 5 events last year, they had 4 different coaches so to them, I don't think it matters too much who is the coach as long as someone is doing it.

[RagingChickens]

I was wondering the same thing. I know they told him they don't want a coach but then Ogre 2 said on the stream chat that it was for personal reasons that they let Mazsik go. If that's the case, then there's no reason that they won't find another coach and since they've had one for quite some time now, I don't see them taking the chance on losing the opener because of it. Out of 5 events last year, they had 4 different coaches so to them, I don't think it matters too much who is the coach as long as someone is doing it.

I have heard that they might be picking up MooCow again? I think that is his name. Someone of importance mentioned that on the stream at one point. He was their coach at Columbus, right?

[MLGAlbatross]

I believe that coaches can make a HUGE difference and they are the unsung heroes of the MLG scene props to all of the coaches out there

Being a coach, let me tell you, this means alot. Im not sure about other coaches, but sometime i feel liek we just slide under the radar, and our assistance goes unnoticed. thanks to all who gave props to coaches :)

[KRILLIN]

I have heard that they might be picking up MooCow again? I think that is his name. Someone of importance mentioned that on the stream at one point. He was their coach at Columbus, right?

He was their coach at some point in 2009 I think. Not in Columbus of last year though. Their coaches were Joe Fries, Kill3n, Mattie and Mazsik.