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MichaelMongrel
01-24-2011, 01:33 PM
First off, I'd like to let everyone know that I am not an amazing player, and all that I say in this thread is just how I view the subject from the outside rather than pretending like I am a top player.

So I was reading the Bert/Coby to2 thread, and for some reason, I started thinking about why a lot of talented players don't get a chance on a top team.
What follows is a bullet-style list of things I think that a lot of these talented players don't realize are very important.

-Positioning/Teamwork-

Okay, yes, most of you know these two words and think you know what it means to really accomplish them. But maybe not... I have a different view on this.

You know that tendency that a lot of us have to go off and try be the hero and take out enemies on our own? Well I have come to realize that is a big no-no.
In other words, ALWAYS be in a position to help your teammates. Your teammate needing help should be first on your list before going after a guy on your own and trying to get help for it.

This all may seem pretty obvious to a lot of smart players, but I am going to expand on it in the next couple points.

-Complaining/Being Positive-

I'm going to start off with an example:

You're playing Countdown TS, and you realize that the other team has complete top control, so you push up to outside balcony and into top health towards their 3rd level to take out the guy in their bubble who keeps putting shots into your base. All of a sudden two other people shoot you from other points of the map and kill you before you can finish the kill you began with that Bubble guy. So now you're pissed because you had no help with that guy in Bubble. You begin to complain. Stuff like "Guyssssssss I'm getting NO HELP! Listen to call outs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Well, that's an example of what NOT to do.
First of all, you need to be helping your teammates first before going off and trying to check off things to do on your list.
Second, complaining and putting some blame on your teammates is only gonna put a dent in any chemistry you have.
Before you complain, think about what YOU could've done and do better on it next life.

-Communication-

So you're calling out where every enemy is. Good. Is that all you need to do? NO.
Calling out every enemy is good, don't get me wrong, but it's not gonna win you a game.
Here is a list of everything you need to communicate.

-How many enemies?
Usually when you just blurt a callout, that typically means one person. In some cases, this is bad. If there is more than one enemy, the number needs to be called out. This is the difference between your teammates staying alive or not. If your teammate hears. "One shot top gold!" and charges to clean up the kill for you, he needs to be all clear when he goes in, otherwise the one-shot guy could very well live through and help his teammate melt your teammate.

-"I've got your help!"
Always let a teammate know when you are running with them. Let's say you're both shooting some enemies and your teammate loses his shields. If he doesn't know you are with him, he is likely to run away completely. If he knows you are there, he may back down to let you take the attention, but he can easily pop back out and help you.

-Repeating Important Call-outs.
Now some people like to repeat call-outs. While you are whining your call-out about the one shot guy on their 3rd level, you're teammate is trying to call-out that the bomb guy is in your jetpack with a teammate about to arm the bomb. If your teammates don't hear the call-out about the bomb guy, the opponents may score and possibly win the game.
Always make sure to quiet down if you hear an important call-out that your teammates need to hear as well.
If the most important call-out needs to be repeated, make sure it doesn't get washed out by the lower priority call-outs.

-Awareness-

So you're playing Sanctuary and you're on your Car shooting that guy on their snipe box, and he's kinda weak and hiding behind a wall. Don't stare at the open space waiting for him to pop out, take a look at your surroundings and make sure nobody is behind you or taking out your teammates somewhere within your field of vision.

Always have a very open ear to the communication going on. If you hear a call-out and you don't have to use all your sprint to get to it, go help out.
This is a big thing. Many people can get one-track minded, and it doesn't help your teammates, and you'll usually end up having the worst stats.
While positioning is obviously a big part, it's really about spreading your focus about the whole "battle".

Basically, don't focus on just the one guy you most recently were shooting. Shoot him a couple times, and if he isn't the guy your teammates are currently worried about, move on and go help your team.


-Closing Statements-

Last thing I'd like to say to close this off is that many of these things are things I have struggled with in the past, and may still struggle with. But it doesn't take a pro to realize these are important to know.
My original intention was to highlight the complaining/blaming your teammates portion and make it the main subject (because it's the thing that bugs me the most), but I had a few other things I wanted to throw in.
I hope you guys enjoy these tips, and if you have noticed me struggling with a lot of these things, don't completely write them off as invalid.

Joe Fries
01-24-2011, 01:53 PM
These are the most important elements that make up a successful team/player.

HavkinKnight
01-24-2011, 01:54 PM
wow great great read and i hope people will begin to see that its true and follow it... enough stat whores.

RagingChickens
01-24-2011, 01:54 PM
Yes it is often times difficult to abide by the Complaining/Being Positive section, but it is certainly true. I also enjoyed the Awareness part, very beneficial.

Thanks for another great post Mongrel, you always make great threads!

Antidote
01-24-2011, 01:58 PM
Only call outs I ever hear when running with randoms is "dude I got sniper", "snipers up in ten seconds" (been standing next to it the past 1:30 minutes waiting for it). Then they go and get 2 kills with it and blame teammates.

Shelly
01-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Great read!!
These kinds of things are what helped my team win the PvJ tournament.
Fear stayed calm and positive, and just encouraged us to work together and keep communicating.
It's the key to success.
Really, if you keep these things in mind, and remember to put them to use, you will see improvement in your gameplay.
Anyone who's played with me since I got back from PvJ would agree that I've improved considerably.
And it's thanks to the points in this thread.

Gravity
01-24-2011, 02:27 PM
Wow. Probably the best read I have seen here in my time on TLN. Very well done.

N!TRO
01-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Wish I had a team to work with like this... but great read for ppl looking for a team or needing mentorship. Thanks again

ThisGuyPwnage
01-24-2011, 02:33 PM
Awesome read and i think most average players suffer from at least one of these, for me its the frustration, but great players change their flaws and work at it to get better. (i think i am doing so)

Morgacht
01-24-2011, 02:45 PM
Hey man great read. These points are awesome. I'm currently teaching my 10 year old brother and his buddies how to really play the game on a better level than running around like maniacs ( being that I am learning that myself ) and am constantly looking for good tools for myself and them to watch or read so that we may all improve. They have all read this now and we've talked about how important everything you mentioned is and I have seen them implement it today and the results were wonderful. I appreciate you taking the time to post something like this.

MichaelMongrel
01-24-2011, 02:56 PM
Thanks a lot for the nice comments. If anyone has anything to add, don't hesitate to post it.

I wanted to emphasize to anyone who has played with me that I struggle with these things too and I know I need to work on them. So yes, in a way, I am a hypocrite... but I'm aware of it.

chris_cr33p
01-24-2011, 03:22 PM
good shit guys

iXProjektXi
01-24-2011, 03:25 PM
Great post Mongrel. I wish they'd make everyone playing a Team-Based game read this before jumping into a match. Staying positive is definitely the one I find most difficult, because its hard to mess up then regroup mentally to turn things around. I personally love randoms that blame others for their mistakes, but that's because it can be entertaining to listen to. haha. Thanks for a good read!

KRILLIN
01-24-2011, 05:37 PM
No wonder I'm so bad. I don't do any of those right!

Mr P
01-24-2011, 07:20 PM
Now that is some good stufffff !!

MichaelMongrel
01-25-2011, 02:26 AM
I'm still trying to work on some of this stuff.
I'm glad it's helping you all as much as it is helping me. I feel like since I posted it, I feel accountable to follow all these. Which is great.

Kamikazeewoks
01-25-2011, 09:53 AM
Great Post, i had a great read! All of these elements make a good player!