DMR vs. Needle Rifle

[Snipemare]

Hello everyone!

I decided i would post a forum about the advantages and disadvantages of the DMR and the Needle Rifle.

First off the DMR.

My insight: I've noticed that percentage wise, just about 90% of the people who play MLG use the DMR instead of the needle rifle.
Advantages of the DMR:
1) It only takes 5 shots to kill
2) just about everyone uses it. Therefore when you get into a 1v1 battles with someone, it goes to whoever has the better shot
Disadvantage:
1) The bloom on the DMR is terrible (IMO). It really messes me up because there are some instances when i just cant get the bloom to go my way. Also the bloom can be very random unless your in LAN.
2) It seems the auto-aim when you have the reticle on someone isn't as strong as it is with the Needle Rifle.

Needle Rifle

My Insight:
IMO, i feel the Needle rifle is a very good weapon alternative to the DMR. Less people use the NR but i've noticed that the people who do use it are usually pretty good.

Advantages of the Needle Rifle:
1) It shoots a lot quicker than the DMR.
2) There is less bloom for the NR and it seems when the NR does reach max bloom, it can go back to normal quicker than the DMR.
3) The noise that the Needles make when the hit an enemy throws them off. The noise can be really annoying and I feel that's a great advantage going into a 1v1 battle (IMO).
4) There's a bigger clip

Disadvantages of the Needle Rifle:
1) It takes 7 shots to kill. ( This is the only disadvantage I can think of because i really like the NR and since i switched to it, I've been going off the charts positive :D )

Comment and let me know what you like better or if you have any advantages and disadvantages to the DMR and NR!
Looking foward to everyone's insight :D

[Americ4n Psych0]

Yup, this pretty much sums up my experience with it. I've recently switched to using the NR pretty frequently as of late, and it just seems so much more like HALO. The bloom is a virtual non-issue, and it plain and simply is just more consistent. With that said, I pick up a DMR every chance I get as a back up, because I feel the DMR is far superior in close range battles. As such, let's say I'm on their P on Sanc, and want to move back into ring. I'll switch from my NR to the DMR, in case I need to shoot someone inside. It simply wrecks close range.

[Snipemare]

Yup, this pretty much sums up my experience with it. I've recently switched to using the NR pretty frequently as of late, and it just seems so much more like HALO. The bloom is a virtual non-issue, and it plain and simply is just more consistent. With that said, I pick up a DMR every chance I get as a back up, because I feel the DMR is far superior in close range battles. As such, let's say I'm on their P on Sanc, and want to move back into ring. I'll switch from my NR to the DMR, in case I need to shoot someone inside. It simply wrecks close range.

Seems like a good strategy and yes I do feel DMR is better for close range spam but for now im an NR fan because I feel I have been just owning with it! :D

[chris_cr33p]

good read but i think there is already a thread for this. and there is a choice you have to make between the two its tough

[Snipemare]

good read but i think there is already a thread for this. and there is a choice you have to make between the two its tough

Well even if there was a thread for this, i wanted to put in my personal insight for this subject :D I'm really a huge fan of the NR right now and to me it feels better than the DMR. I think the DMR almost made me quit Reach. Now I'm enjoying actually playing good with the NR :P

[chris_cr33p]

good im glad you found your comfort zone

[Snipemare]

good im glad you found your comfort zone

Yesssssss

[KRILLIN]

NR ticks me off! I hate the purple stuff it's so distracting.

[Snipemare]

NR ticks me off! I hate the purple stuff it's so distracting.

Haha =P that sucks because I love it

[Seraph]

NR ticks me off! I hate the purple stuff it's so distracting.

The Purple is distracting. <----Add this to the pros.

[Jewjitsu]

i use a dmr and i out shoot almost every person who has a NR, so i never use it.

[RagingChickens]

i use a dmr and i out shoot almost every person who has a NR, so i never use it.

Yeah this pretty much. Whenever I pick up a NR when I am messing around, it always seems like I'm not even hitting the guy and his shields aren't going anywhere. I am too used to the DMR to try and use the NR anyway. Also, I honestly don't see it being present in future gametypes, at least as a starting weapon. Maybe as a map pickup.

[Snipemare]

i use a dmr and i out shoot almost every person who has a NR, so i never use it.

I don't know how this is possible. I own with the NR for some reason and whenever I used DMR against an NR player they always killed me. I hope it is still present in future gametypes Chickens! =P

[WiFFXI]

I agree with everything in this except, both the DMR and the NR take 5 or 7 shots to kill. It takes 4 to bring the shield down with either and then you can get the headshot to make 5. It also it takes 7 with either and the NR will super-combine with the last 3 shots on the unshielded opponent.

[RagingChickens]

I agree with everything in this except, both the DMR and the NR take 5 or 7 shots to kill. It takes 4 to bring the shield down with either and then you can get the headshot to make 5. It also it takes 7 with either and the NR will super-combine with the last 3 shots on the unshielded opponent.

The DMR will always kill someone with 3 shots when they have no shields. You just don't get a pink explosion and a medal. So they are on a totally even playing field in that aspect.

[Niko]

DMR is the most inconsistent weapon I have ever seen.

[RagingChickens]

DMR is the most inconsistent weapon I have ever seen.

lol what do you mean by inconsistent?

[WiFFXI]

The DMR will always kill someone with 3 shots when they have no shields. You just don't get a pink explosion and a medal. So they are on a totally even playing field in that aspect.

Yea that is exactly what I meant. Maybe I just didn't make it clear enough. All in all, they are almost the same save for fire rate, bloom, and clip size. People should use whatever floats their goat in my opinion.

[Snipemare]

lol what do you mean by inconsistent?

I think the bloom is random, which it is unless your playing LAN, and even then the bloom throws me off =/

[Niko]

I think the bloom is random, which it is unless your playing LAN, and even then the bloom throws me off =/

Spot on, Legit proved this the other night when he was playing, he played great one game then the next game he went -12, to me that doesn't make any sense.

[Snipemare]

Spot on, Legit proved this the other night when he was playing, he played great one game then the next game he went -12, to me that doesn't make any sense.

Yea idk. I feel the DMR is what made everyone mad about Reach. I switched to the NR and now i don't mind the game(IMO!). I like the NR and im sticking with it. Everyone else is entitled to their own opinions :D

[VGMSTR21]

You should check out my thread on MLG.
http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/214797-the-110-damage-for-v3-thread/

It's purpose is to up the damage to 110% (making the NR a 6 shot kill) but it's mostly a DMR v NR analysis.
I love the NR, it's so much more consistent and just fun to use but it just takes too long to kill. making it a 6sk would make it a more useful alternative to the DMR.

[Americ4n Psych0]

Yeah this pretty much. Whenever I pick up a NR when I am messing around, it always seems like I'm not even hitting the guy and his shields aren't going anywhere. I am too used to the DMR to try and use the NR anyway. Also, I honestly don't see it being present in future gametypes, at least as a starting weapon. Maybe as a map pickup.

What makes you say the NR may not be present in future gametypes? Has MLG commented in any way on this? Just curious.

[RagingChickens]

What makes say the NR may not be present in future gametypes? Has MLG commented in any way on this? Just curious.

No I don't think so. I just honestly don't see it staying in. Just my opinion. Who knows though, it could totally stay for the entire life of Reach. Who knows! lol

[Snipemare]

No I don't think so. I just honestly don't see it staying in. Just my opinion. Who knows though, it could totally stay for the entire life of Reach. Who knows! lol

Lol yea you better not be right! O.o i love the NR

[KRILLIN]

Only think I like about the NR is the bloom and the speed. If they made it a bit more powerful and took out the DMR it might be the answer to getting everyone to enjoy Reach.

[Makin]

I find if you have both and put 2-3 shots on some one then take cover and switch weapons and come back out it throws your opponent of even more.

[RagingChickens]

I find if you have both and put 2-3 shots on some one then take cover and switch weapons and come back out it throws your opponent of even more.

That ca't be easy but it sounds really effective!! They probably think you are a different person if you do that.

[Snipemare]

Only think I like about the NR is the bloom and the speed. If they made it a bit more powerful and took out the DMR it might be the answer to getting everyone to enjoy Reach.

I totally agree, Krillen we have so much in common! lol, Same thoughts on NR, love FB and so much more!

[Snipemare]

Everyone would hate reach because the NR would be so overpowered if it were a 6 shot.

It would be overpowered but i dont think EVERYONE would hate it.. it depends lol

[Gearijigu]

interesting read I like the nr but I dont use it too often though

[Fir3]

I actually switch it up :) I use both weapons, I actually tend to use needle rifle to put shots onto someone or while shooting long distance, but I use DMR in close range.

[Snipemare]

I actually switch it up :) I use both weapons, I actually tend to use needle rifle to put shots onto someone or while shooting long distance, but I use DMR in close range.

Yea that could be a good strategy. i just full out use the NR and it works for me.

[Valentine84]

I love the NR, but on 100% damage it is too weak in close/mid range vs. the DMR. Therefore, on the current V2 settings I only use the NR on Sanctuary because of the long sight lines, and DMR on Countdown and Zealot for close quarters. I am a strong advocate for 110% damage though, because then the NR would have a fighting chance against a 5sk DMR in close range which would make for very interesting battles IMO.

[MLGAlbatross]

i played with like 5 pros in MM today, and BUK 57 was the only one who used the NR :/

I think it all goes with your playing style. If your the type to run into ring 2 on sanc and try and hold it all game, use the DMR. However if your the type to sit back in rocks or flag or snipe or Combo, then use the NR. The heat-seeking on the NR makesd it much more accurate long range, plus since you can shoot faster, you can pop them out of scope more often.

[Gearijigu]

Needle rifle in general is just more annoying then the DMR and yes it is better long range but I dont think I would trade it full time for the DMR because it sucks close quarters

[Briimstone]

Great write-up!
I used to use the NR when v1 was out. I just got my xbox back from being repaired, and I recently switched to the DMR. Personally, I feel the DMR is better close range because even with the randomness of the bloom, it still kills faster close range. But long range, I like the NR's faster bloom reset, and it feels better/easier to get a few shots on your opponent across map.

Idk, each one has its ups and downs, I still wish Bungie could rid Reach of all bloom.

[Imp3nded]

Spot on, Legit proved this the other night when he was playing, he played great one game then the next game he went -12, to me that doesn't make any sense.

Oh no, a pro had a bad game. This can't be.

[SECKTOR]

It's all preference, seriously.