TLN Members Attitudes

[MichaelMongrel]

Okay guys, please excuse the lack of prettiness of how this post is setup, but I wanted to address something.

Recently (over the past month or so), I've been seeing a lot of negativity, fighting, and some pretty bad insulting on these forums. This is such a disappointment to me, because this is essentially my internet hang out.

From the start, these forums built a reputation of being one of the nicest, most respectful, and most welcoming communities in all of the gaming scene. That reason is one of the reasons alone that people (including myself) have joined these forums.

Now I know no one is perfect. And I know that some people say something that unintentionally can be offensive. But let's take a step back and realize who/what we are representing. Mr. P, Mrs. P, Towey, and the rest of the crew put a lot of hard work into making TLN run how it should (yes, they are good people despite a certain glaring issue over the past few months).
So what I'm asking is that people lay off the arguing, insulting, and even the forum trash talk about some customs you gRaped another TLN member in and want to rub it in their face (keep that on your TLN profiles!).

Let's be the community that we have been known to be.

1. Think before you post something. Read over your post and make sure you aren't saying anything that could be taken the wrong way.
2. Suck it up and be the bigger man/woman when someone says something you really don't like.
3. Give the new guys a chance, and even give some advice if they seem to be involving themselves in a not so likeable way.

Thanks a lot, and I <3 everyone here.

[gazurk]

I agree. Good thread.

[StarfishDTR]

Definitely agree. I love how nice and respectful people are on TLN, thats probably why I don't get on MLGpro anymore.

[Lefthanded]

I blame that killboy kid...


haha jp but yeah I've seen a lot of new members not really getting the warmest of welcomes...the chat during lans needs to be a lil bit more mature too :p

[chris_cr33p]

yeah i agree i have noticed this too. everyone needs to get along and everyone needs to help one another

[mrkillboy]

Trying to make a utopia forum community is ignorant. Not everyone is going to agree on something. And if people get mad at other people over the internet, they shouldn't be on the net in the first place. If people are going to get all sour of people, like myself, speaking their mind, then they should too, get off the internet.

Arguing, fighting, insulting, and all that stuff comes along with a community.

People have it in their mind that you have to be nice to everyone. You don't. I'm sure some people could tell you right now, I'm one of the nicest people they have met and/or talked to. When some people could tell you how big of a dick I am, and how I shouldn't be allowed on this forum.

Making a thread about attitudes and how everyone should be nice to one another, to me, in my opinion, is completely stupid.

It would make more sense to PM someone about how they are acting rather than make a thread about it. I'm sure people can't stand the fact I speak my mind. And making a thread about insulting, etc, etc, and then calling iUndrground, Gym, and all those guys out, is a load of horse shit. I know I would find it insulting and not nice, if I were one of them.

Have a nice day. :]

[MichaelMongrel]

Trying to make a utopia forum community is ignorant. Not everyone is going to agree on something. And if people get mad at other people over the internet, they shouldn't be on the net in the first place. If people are going to get all sour of people, like myself, speaking their mind, then they should too, get off the internet.

Arguing, fighting, insulting, and all that stuff comes along with a community.

People have it in their mind that you have to be nice to everyone. You don't. I'm sure some people could tell you right now, I'm one of the nicest people they have met and/or talked to. When some people could tell you how big of a dick I am, and how I shouldn't be allowed on this forum.

Making a thread about attitudes and how everyone should be nice to one another, to me, in my opinion, is completely stupid.

It would make more sense to PM someone about how they are acting rather than make a thread about it. I'm sure people can't stand the fact I speak my mind. And making a thread about insulting, etc, etc, and then calling iUndrground, Gym, and all those guys out, is a load of horse shit. I know I would find it insulting and not nice, if I were one of them.

Have a nice day. :]

When did negativity get anybody anywhere?

All I'm saying is that everyone (me, you, Gym, Shelly, whoever) need to keep it respectful.

The reason why so many people have left MLGpro is because of all the negativity and bickering. If you honestly think that people should just be allowed to act like that, I really don't know what to say.

I never said these forums needed to be perfect, I'm just saying that it's been a little bit on the bad side of the scale recently, and everyone should try to step it up and lead by example.

[americanbash]

I highly doubt we will ever be able to get the stream chat to be clean. Since there is a lack of mod control in there. Nothing against current mods, but some people have potty mouths in the chat.

[mrkillboy]

Not saying we all need to be negative. I'm saying you're wrong. Everyone on these forums thinks they can make this community like a utopia. A perfect forum, where no one speaks their mind, or tells other people how they feel.

By respectful you mean, lie to people so they don't get their feelings hurt?

I don't think people should act like that, but I don't think they should act as if they love everything someone posts, or act as if they like everyone. I could name off three people, right now, that I can't stand.

[Araneatrox]

I highly doubt we will ever be able to get the stream chat to be clean. Since there is a lack of mod control in there. Nothing against current mods, but some people have potty mouths in the chat.

I would love to be able to Kick/Mute people in the Chatroom. But alas, we cannot do it yet :(

[americanbash]

I would love to be able to Kick/Mute people in the Chatroom. But alas, we cannot do it yet :(

That means the power is on its way? :D

[MichaelMongrel]

Not saying we all need to be negative. I'm saying you're wrong. Everyone on these forums thinks they can make this community like a utopia. A perfect forum, where no one speaks their mind, or tells other people how they feel.

By respectful you mean, lie to people so they don't get their feelings hurt?

I don't think people should act like that, but I don't think they should act as if they love everything someone posts, or act as if they like everyone. I could name off three people, right now, that I can't stand.

There is a difference between an argument and a clean debate.

By respectful, I mean, don't outright insult someone, or say something in a way that you know it will light a fire.

And you know what, I am calling out everyone INCLUDING the type of people you mentioned who act like they are nice to everyone.
We all need a reminder to be respectful. Even if you are a Heuer, Krillin, Canadian Gym, Shelly, or a RagingChickens. We all need to treat one another like they aren't a piece of s***, even if you have more friends on here.

If it really comes to being a personal argument... go to each other's TLN profiles or even PM.

[Araneatrox]

That means the power is on its way? :D

It was in a list of things to do, But the Fantasy/New streams/Important Updates/TLN House came first.

[Americ4n Psych0]

Not saying we all need to be negative. I'm saying you're wrong. Everyone on these forums thinks they can make this community like a utopia. A perfect forum, where no one speaks their mind, or tells other people how they feel.

By respectful you mean, lie to people so they don't get their feelings hurt?

I don't think people should act like that, but I don't think they should act as if they love everything someone posts, or act as if they like everyone. I could name off three people, right now, that I can't stand.

While I agree with you on some fronts, there's also something to be said about ignoring people you don't find to be pleasant. You think someone's opinion is ignorant and/or idiotic? State your own opinion and leave it at that. There's a need for flavor, but there's no need for flaming (I'm not in any way stating anyone in particular is a flamer, etc, just saying). Flame wars are a mark of an immature community. I like to think this community is a little more on the mature side, generally speaking. I hate the MLG forums, and if allowed to go on unchecked, this place could easily replicate that. And that would be sad.

[americanbash]

It was in a list of things to do, But the Fantasy/New streams/Important Updates/TLN House came first.

When should we expect to see some more changes?

[MichaelMongrel]

I hate the MLG forums, and if allowed to go on unchecked, this place could easily replicate that. And that would be sad.

This is exactly why I made this thread.

[Americ4n Psych0]

This is exactly why I made this thread.


:) So we're in the same boat. *Cheers*

[Araneatrox]

When should we expect to see some more changes?

No clue, I am only a mod. I don't get told of the inner workings of the site.

As for being respectful, we encourage discussion. Even to some extent arguments, but when insults start getting hurled at people and the language starts to appear that is when mods start to take notice.

I will give you some sort of information on what i consider my Checklist when looking at threads.
1. Has the OP been somewhat controversial, or said something challenging?
2. Has that been followed up with comments that are way over the top and out of proportion?
3. Is swearing Involved?
4. Has the post stopped being about the OP and become a thread about insults to one person or an argument that has nothing to do with the thread.

These are the sort of things i look out for before locking a thread. Usually i will pop in half way through the conversation and then read the thread back to front.

[ShuTDowNizHyped]

I agree. Lots of new members coming over from mlg also. We just gotta teach them how to act!

[mrkillboy]

I'd hate to see what Heuer looks for in a thread before he locks it. Probably, nothing. Just locks it because he abuses powers.

[Araneatrox]

I'd hate to see what Heuer looks for in a thread before he locks it. Probably, nothing. Just locks it because he abuses powers.

He usually chats with me on Facebook/Skype before he locks anything. So it isn't done lightly

[Nivek a]

smh red soxs sig GO yanks hahahha but seriously i agree be nice

[Inexist]

We all can't just love one another there is just a few people who don't connect with each other but thats the world evolves and people are just used to it.

[RagingChickens]

I'd hate to see what Heuer looks for in a thread before he locks it. Probably, nothing. Just locks it because he abuses powers.

Like, why say this? That is so uncalled for. Heuer is an extremely dedicated mod and any decision he makes I would back him on. There is no point in publicly picking fights.

[PK Toolboxxx]

We all can't just love one another there is just a few people who don't connect with each other but thats the world evolves and people are just used to it.
thank you.

and kill boy i understand speaking your mind, and on certain threads i do 100% agree with you but seriously some of what you say is completely unnecessary. People will take some of those things offensively and will retaliate. Thats the way people are.

as far as mongrel, you are right, there has been alot more bitching going on recently. i think every one needs to take a step back before posting something (whether its to flame, or in a disagreement on someones opinion) and re-read the post. If t sounds too hurtful then re-word and then we can work from there.

this is not the mlg forums, so please do not turn it into them.

thanks

edit: i would also like to say everyone needs to work on this..including myself.

[MrChaosTheory]

I think you will find a lot of the maturity and open personalities with some of the new members. Could it be possible that some of the original/older members have slight resentment towards the newer members?

Maybe because TLN is obviously growing in popularity and isn't as cliquey. Much in the same way when someone discovers a band before they are famous, then when they are, it ruins the originality and small following.

Araneatrox has been very kind and helpful, so has KRILLIN. I have asked rather stupid questions at times over trivial matters but rather then call me an idiot they actively helped.

Honestly I think TLN Members can suffer from a little snobbery at times, and at the expense of leaving people out. If I meet a handful of genuine and kind people I will always be happy.

[Gweedo888]

thank you.

and kill boy i understand speaking your mind, and on certain threads i do 100% agree with you but seriously some of what you say is completely unnecessary. People will take some of those things offensively and will retaliate. Thats the way people are.

as far as mongrel, you are right, there has been alot more bitching going on recently. i think every one needs to take a step back before posting something (whether its to flame, or in a disagreement on someones opinion) and re-read the post. If t sounds too hurtful then re-word and then we can work from there.

this is not the mlg forums, so please do not turn it into them.

thanks

edit: i would also like to say everyone needs to work on this..including myself.

agreed toolboxx and for inexist the beatels lied bro all you need is love is a lie you need so much more lol

[mrkillboy]

Like, why say this? That is so uncalled for. Heuer is an extremely dedicated mod and any decision he makes I would back him on. There is no point in publicly picking fights.

I'm not picking fights. I'm speaking my mind. Heuer knows I don't like him, and he knows myself along with some other members, know he shouldn't have mod. I mean, he did go on a huge ban spree which got him in trouble.


and kill boy i understand speaking your mind, and on certain threads i do 100% agree with you but seriously some of what you say is completely unnecessary. People will take some of those things offensively and will retaliate. Thats the way people are.

You may think it's unnecessary, but that is your opinion. I don't just post shit to get people started. If I feel a certain way, or feel as if I want to express myself. Then I will do so.

I could be a lot nicer to people, and I could ease up on the speaking my mind so much. But, that's my personality. I'm blunt, and I will say how I feel, even if it pisses you off so bad, you punch a newborn.

[Descendant]

Trying to make a utopia forum community is ignorant. Not everyone is going to agree on something. And if people get mad at other people over the internet, they shouldn't be on the net in the first place. If people are going to get all sour of people, like myself, speaking their mind, then they should too, get off the internet.

Arguing, fighting, insulting, and all that stuff comes along with a community.

People have it in their mind that you have to be nice to everyone. You don't. I'm sure some people could tell you right now, I'm one of the nicest people they have met and/or talked to. When some people could tell you how big of a dick I am, and how I shouldn't be allowed on this forum.

Making a thread about attitudes and how everyone should be nice to one another, to me, in my opinion, is completely stupid.

It would make more sense to PM someone about how they are acting rather than make a thread about it. I'm sure people can't stand the fact I speak my mind. And making a thread about insulting, etc, etc, and then calling iUndrground, Gym, and all those guys out, is a load of horse shit. I know I would find it insulting and not nice, if I were one of them.

Have a nice day. :]

I 100% agree with what he is saying. I got banned for a week from the live stream a few months back, because I was voicing my opinion. Unfortunately, my opinion did not match the opinions of everyone else, so they starting going crazy and it lead to me receiving a week long ban. I refrain from sharing my opinion with this community anymore, because it is just made up of random kids who put "TLN" in front of their names and think they own the place (ex. Shelly). Overall, I just come on this website to watch the LAN's, and only comment on forum posts that I feel are really stupid (ex. this one), and call for a more intelligent opinion. I have noticed over the course of my membership that this website is very one sided, and without different opinions and viewpoints, there really isn't such thing as a community.

P.S. - I know there are going to be a lot of people disagreeing with what I have to say and the fact that I mentioned "Shelly," but the truth is I DON'T CARE!!!!

[Gweedo888]

I'm not picking fights. I'm speaking my mind. Heuer knows I don't like him, and he knows myself along with some other members, know he shouldn't have mod. I mean, he did go on a huge ban spree which got him in trouble.



You may think it's unnecessary, but that is your opinion. I don't just post shit to get people started. If I feel a certain way, or feel as if I want to express myself. Then I will do so.

well you live and learn from goofs like that but really was the swearing really nessacary i mean aran just said thats a thing he looks for before he thinks about banning and what not but yet you are the kinda person that loves to push the issue and make sure your the loudest in the room from what i have noticed so what ever but honestly if you really have a argument to settle why would you do it on here why not facebook him of pm him

[Antidote]

I do feel Killboy is a bit harsh on some people that don't deserve it and I do hardly ever agree with him. Yet I do like that he speaks his mind at least and doesn't feel the need to clutter his sentences with "lol" and smiley faces to make it seem like it's not taken in a harsh sense.

I mean I could say "F**k off"
Or I could say "F**k off :) "

For some reason the smiley face makes it okay for some people, which I never understood. So Killboy imo you're a complete ass. With that said, kudos to you on keeping it real.

[PK Toolboxxx]

You may think it's unnecessary, but that is your opinion. I don't just post shit to get people started. If I feel a certain way, or feel as if I want to express myself. Then I will do so.

I could be a lot nicer to people, and I could ease up on the speaking my mind so much. But, that's my personality. I'm blunt, and I will say how I feel, even if it pisses you off so bad, you punch a newborn.
i understand speaking your mind but what is the point of posting in a thread just to get people riled up. will you speak your mind to your child like that. are you going to be excessively blunt with them. there is no reason to be mean when expressing opinions. You can express them in more mature ways rather than what appears as calling someone out.

i do respect your opinion and appreciate that you are honest. but sometimes it needs to be a little less harsh.

[Gweedo888]

[QUOTE=PK Toolboxxx;57862] will you speak your mind to your child like that. are you going to be excessively blunt with them. there is no reason to be mean when expressing opinions. QUOTE]
Thank you i was just thinking about that

[mrkillboy]

Yes, when I believe my child is of age. I will be very blunt with them.
But, my child isn't a part of this forum. So, why would you bring my child into it?



So Killboy imo you're a complete ass. With that said, kudos to you on keeping it real.

I'm a complete ass, who speaks his mind. I'm a real person, probably one of the few on these forums who keep it real.

[wookiemanx]

I think you will find a lot of the maturity and open personalities with some of the new members. Could it be possible that some of the original/older members have slight resentment towards the newer members?

Maybe because TLN is obviously growing in popularity and isn't as cliquey. Much in the same way when someone discovers a band before they are famous, then when they are, it ruins the originality and small following.

Araneatrox has been very kind and helpful, so has KRILLIN. I have asked rather stupid questions at times over trivial matters but rather then call me an idiot they actively helped.

Honestly I think TLN Members can suffer from a little snobbery at times, and at the expense of leaving people out. If I meet a handful of genuine and kind people I will always be happy.

I hate all without an OG badge.


I'm a complete ass, who speaks his mind. I'm a real person, probably one of the few on these forums who keep it real.
You calling me imaginary?

[mrkillboy]

I hate all without an OG badge.

Dude, I'm sorry for the off topic post, but I love EMWIH with a passion. I love you.

[Justin21]

A forum is where people can go to speak their opinion of the topic, some people on this site believe they are above others, and they get away with more than some do. I think this is a great forum compared to MLG but with growth in a site will be more individuals whos opinions will clash with the more "senior members". If you want to troll and post nonsense, id say keep it in the +1 thread which is basically the w.e you say goes thread, i dont like the whole double standard that goes on here, but im not a moderator nor do i want to be one, but i think people need to search through threads before posting new ones so the "trolling" doesnt start.

[Luke]

I think you will find a lot of the maturity and open personalities with some of the new members. Could it be possible that some of the original/older members have slight resentment towards the newer members?

Maybe because TLN is obviously growing in popularity and isn't as cliquey. Much in the same way when someone discovers a band before they are famous, then when they are, it ruins the originality and small following.

Araneatrox has been very kind and helpful, so has KRILLIN. I have asked rather stupid questions at times over trivial matters but rather then call me an idiot they actively helped.

Honestly I think TLN Members can suffer from a little snobbery at times, and at the expense of leaving people out. If I meet a handful of genuine and kind people I will always be happy.

Since everyone is letting it out right now, your'e my favourite poster on this site. You have 47 posts that are better than hundreds of posts from other members.

And Mongrel, the community is growing so fast. We can either choose to listen to you now or continue to bicker and turn this site into something we don't want it to be.

All of us should take something away from this thread and keep the site clean. I for one promise to be less of an asshole to people in stream chat.

-Warriors top 1

[MidKnight]

i agree, nice post

[pt ogre]

the only problem i have generally is with the stream chat. i wish you guys would either go towards a java irc portal that can be moderated, or atleast allow me to popout the video so i don't have to see pages of people speculating about totz's cuddle partner preferences or morons screaming about how they want their $5 back because the pros aren't entertaining them while eating

[cF WiNGER]

Nice post Mongrel. I've put up a few of these as well, not going into it as much, but also nowhere near as many views or posts. Hopefully everyone gets a chance to read yours and this can stay a very fun community. I must say the stream hasn't been the same since I stopped paying attention to the chat. Just couldn't take it anymore.

[Briimstone]

Trying to make a utopia forum community is ignorant. Not everyone is going to agree on something. And if people get mad at other people over the internet, they shouldn't be on the net in the first place. If people are going to get all sour of people, like myself, speaking their mind, then they should too, get off the internet.

Arguing, fighting, insulting, and all that stuff comes along with a community.

People have it in their mind that you have to be nice to everyone. You don't. I'm sure some people could tell you right now, I'm one of the nicest people they have met and/or talked to. When some people could tell you how big of a dick I am, and how I shouldn't be allowed on this forum.

Making a thread about attitudes and how everyone should be nice to one another, to me, in my opinion, is completely stupid.

It would make more sense to PM someone about how they are acting rather than make a thread about it. I'm sure people can't stand the fact I speak my mind. And making a thread about insulting, etc, etc, and then calling iUndrground, Gym, and all those guys out, is a load of horse shit. I know I would find it insulting and not nice, if I were one of them.

Have a nice day. :]
You do realize that this thread was not only about you right? Sure you've had your share of trouble, but you aren't the only was with the attitude he is talking about. I don't think you should take it so personally, because it definitely was not directed at you only.

On Topic:
People really should be nice to everyone. If you don't mind, I'll quote the book of John. It says countless times like verses such as 13:34 (A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.) that you should love one another. You don't have to like someone to show them some respect. We really should try to get the community to revolve around things like these, and I think it will be the wonderful, friendly community it should be.

[mrkillboy]

You do realize that this thread was not only about you right? Sure you've had your share of trouble, but you aren't the only was with the attitude he is talking about. I don't think you should take it so personally, because it definitely was not directed at you only.

On Topic:
People really should be nice to everyone. If you don't mind, I'll quote the book of John. It says countless times like verses such as 13:34 (A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.) that you should love one another. You don't have to like someone to show them some respect. We really should try to get the community to revolve around things like these, and I think it will be the wonderful, friendly community it should be.

What are you talking about? I'm not taking this personally. I'm responding how I see fit. I don't care if you or anyone else likes how I act.

[mrkillboy]

Well since this thread has nothing to do with me, I'm going to completely ignore it.......

Voicing an opinion, or telling someone what needs to be said, should DEFINITELY be allowed in this community. Canada, as well as the United States allow free speech, so why shouldn't TLN? Derogatory, Rascist, or personal insults, should be censored, but if I can take the things iUndrground says to me, with a grain of salt, why should the rest of you care? Why should you care what he says to me, if I don't complain? It's not that I hate the kid, we just had a disagreement, and we let it go. I'm sure we will have more, but I'm sure we will eventually be friends.

I will repeat once again, If I can take it, or someone else can take it, why should YOU be there to censor it and tell us to take a step back? I KNOW you made this thread for me, and I take it as a personal stab.

And from what Brimstone said, it was at me too. So I too take it as a personal stab.

[mrkillboy]

Most of you are young, living in their parents basements, full of rainbows and sugar plum fairys. If you honestly don't like to READ some of the stuff, on a forum, that's not even directed at you, The world is going to be a very harsh and scary place for you....

/Agree
/Thread

[Americ4n Psych0]

I will repeat this for relevance.....

I thoroughly agree, Gym. I believe this is the inherent flaw of the MLG community, which is not something they can necessarily control directly. At least in most cases. Young people generally spout more immaturity. I'm 23. While I'm in no way trying to intimate that I'm the paradigm of maturity, I also know that a lot of the threads around the MLG community are awe-inducingly pathetic, and leave no doubt to many passersby that the community is simply not worth their time.

I also believe there are MANY people who turn away from MLG in general due to the immaturity. To some it's just not worth it. Quite frankly, if not for my burning, passionate competitiveness, I'd have ditched the infantile MLG scene years ago...

[Fierce]

A lot of people can't handle conflicting opinions, and the more members that this site gets, the more conflicting opinions there will be. There's mods, and their job is to deal with the ones that take stuff too far. Let them handle it. Don't need a thread imploring people to keep their heads down and treat this place like grandma's dinner table. It's an internet forum, let people say what they want and resolve disagreements. If they can't do it civilly, then the mods step in.

[Briimstone]

What are you talking about? I'm not taking this personally. I'm responding how I see fit. I don't care if you or anyone else likes how I act.

The first post you made seemed like you took it personally. Sorry if I misinterpreted, my bee.

[D Moralize]

Heres the thing everybody, TLN isnt a country, its a business, and when you are posting on TLN you represent that business in a way, not as much as a mod or admin, but think of it as a two guys yelling and fighting in mcdonalds, they don't work there, and they both have free speech, but its bad for mcdonalds business to let it continue so they will ask them to settle down or leave. If you are bad for TLN's business they have every right to quiet you, it is a privately owned forum, you dont have the right to post whatever you want here. I agree we should all be able to voice our opinions without being scared of being "punished" for it, but when you can't word your opinions nicely, or you constantly take stabs at another member regardless of the thread/quality of post, or you automatically take the side of someone you like and gang up on people, or you post things obviously just to be an attention whore I think you deserve to get something done to you, even if its just shutting you up for a day. When it is so obvious that someone is only disagreeing with a post because of who posted it and not what they posted there is an obvious problem. Just to clarify Im not a supporter of censorship, but I think we are all smart enough to understand that if what you are saying is bad for business then there is no reason to let you say it.

[Fir3]

And from what Brimstone said, it was at me too. So I too take it as a personal stab.

mrkillboy, in a community everyone should be able to voice their opinions. Why do you care if it's a personal stab if you insult everyone else? You insult everyone while acting like you don't care so why shouldn't people do the same for you?

and gym, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how can you even say this is directed at you? MichaelMongrel is trying to make the community a better place, he wants TLN to be like it use to be and not turn into the MLG forums.

Then again, what do I know?

[PK Toolboxxx]

mkb i didnt mean your child i mean when have children in general(forgot about u actually about to be a father). i dont mean for thing to be personal because i personaly have no problems with anyone on these forums.

ot: i think people need to mature up, there is a difference between voicing an opinion and being a troll. everyone knows that difference if you are an adult, and if you dont then u need to mature up. end of story.

[iUndrground]

This thread is for stopping the immaturity. I guess it didn't work. :(

[wookiemanx]

This thread is for stopping the immaturity. I guess it didn't work. :(

Unobtainable goal is unobtainable.

[SullyVan]

Heres the thing everybody, TLN isnt a country, its a business, and when you are posting on TLN you represent that business in a way, not as much as a mod or admin, but think of it as a two guys yelling and fighting in mcdonalds, they don't work there, and they both have free speech, but its bad for mcdonalds business to let it continue so they will ask them to settle down or leave. If you are bad for TLN's business they have every right to quiet you, it is a privately owned forum, you dont have the right to post whatever you want here. I agree we should all be able to voice our opinions without being scared of being "punished" for it, but when you can't word your opinions nicely, or you constantly take stabs at another member regardless of the thread/quality of post, or you automatically take the side of someone you like and gang up on people, or you post things obviously just to be an attention whore I think you deserve to get something done to you, even if its just shutting you up for a day. When it is so obvious that someone is only disagreeing with a post because of who posted it and not what they posted there is an obvious problem. Just to clarify Im not a supporter of censorship, but I think we are all smart enough to understand that if what you are saying is bad for business then there is no reason to let you say it.

THIS! couldn't say it any better myself

[mrkillboy]

mrkillboy, in a community everyone should be able to voice their opinions. Why do you care if it's a personal stab if you insult everyone else? You insult everyone while acting like you don't care so why shouldn't people do the same for you?

and gym, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but how can you even say this is directed at you? MichaelMongrel is trying to make the community a better place, he wants TLN to be like it use to be and not turn into the MLG forums.

Then again, what do I know?

How do I insult everyone?

[Imp3nded]

thank you.

and kill boy i understand speaking your mind, and on certain threads i do 100% agree with you but seriously some of what you say is completely unnecessary. People will take some of those things offensively and will retaliate. Thats the way people are.

as far as mongrel, you are right, there has been alot more bitching going on recently. i think every one needs to take a step back before posting something (whether its to flame, or in a disagreement on someones opinion) and re-read the post. If t sounds too hurtful then re-word and then we can work from there.

this is not the mlg forums, so please do not turn it into them.

thanks

edit: i would also like to say everyone needs to work on this..including myself.

I'd like to point out the bold statement here, and not for the reason you think.

These kind of comments need to stop. It doesn't make this community look any better when the community constantly degrades mlgpro by making statements such as these. Yes, mlgpro has problems with senseless arguments and ignorance. However, that comes with a giant community such as that one. Now look, TLN is growing and issues are arising. When a community gets bigger, the community attracts newer members of many different backgrounds.

I'm calling everybody out on this. Let's start by putting a stop to comments such as these. It is not necessary for us to make degrading remarks such as this in order to put TLN on a pedestal above mlgpro. It was something I noticed at the beginning of the website. It became almost everyone's motto: "Let's not turn this into mlgpro.com" Even mods have said it, original members, respected members, etc.

I'm not sure everyone realizes this, but we're here because of that website (mlgpro.com). Let's show it some respect because we wouldn't have this community if it wasn't for that one.

Let's put it this way: Remember your roots.

[MichaelMongrel]

I want everyone to know that this thread wasn't about telling people to stop voicing their opinions. But you know what, there isn't only one way to voice an opinion. You can voice an opinion in a way that says, "Hey, I respect your opinion, but I politely disagree."

Why is it a problem to ask that the community try to maintain a mature atmosphere? Why is a thread about making this forum a better place being talked down on?

Now even though some of you don't like this thread, I'm not gonna hate on you for it, but take the people that browse these forums in mind before yourself. Because ultimately, a selfish community isn't a productive one.

Despite what you may think, a forums community has an ATMOSPHERE. If half the people begin to argue with each other, it becomes a very unpleasant place to visit.
It's like when you hang out with friends and two of them get in an intense argument (NOT a debate)... Is it fun to hang out with them during that? HELL NO.

Just be considerate and try to understand I'm not telling people to shut up completely.

[Shelly]

If I didn't have a huge headache after reading all this on my phone without my glasses, I would have a more legitimate response.
I agree with what D_Moralize said, summed up my thoughts very well.
Good job on this thread Tim, needed to be done.

[MrChaosTheory]

Since everyone is letting it out right now, your'e my favourite poster on this site. You have 47 posts that are better than hundreds of posts from other members.

Thanks for the kind words, I haven't a bad word to say about you either.

My view on the matter is; yes you're entitled to your opinion, if it is overly negative maybe TLN will not like it.

However I don't understand why most posts by the people in question in this thread are the way they are. In a normal conversation after someone says something you have a short window to reply, that sometimes means that you will word things wrong, mistake will be mistakes.

In a forum no one is rushing you for a response, you have all the time in the world, just take a little time so that if your intention is to insult someone or isn't, is clear. It is harder to convey emotions in a text chat, so take a little more time constructing it.

I think that way for the most part, no will misunderstand you. If you are overly agressive all the time we will all know that we haven't misunderstand you, and that you are not a very nice person. (not to anyone in particular).

[mrkillboy]

I wish I wasn't insanely sleepy. I would type a well thought out post out.

[PK Toolboxxx]

Thanks for the kind words, I haven't a bad word to say about you either.

My view on the matter is; yes you're entitled to your opinion, if it is overly negative maybe TLN will not like it.

However I don't understand why most posts by the people in question in this thread are the way they are. In a normal conversation after someone says something you have a short window to reply, that sometimes means that you will word things wrong, mistake will be mistakes.

In a forum no one is rushing you for a response, you have all the time in the world, just take a little time so that if your intention is to insult someone or isn't, is clear. It is harder to convey emotions in a text chat, so take a little more time constructing it.

I think that way for the most part, no will misunderstand you. If you are overly agressive all the time we will all know that we haven't misunderstand you, and that you are not a very nice person. (not to anyone in particular).

thank you for saying that. and welcome.

[heuer89]

I'd hate to see what Heuer looks for in a thread before he locks it. Probably, nothing. Just locks it because he abuses powers.

Obviously. Because I would still be moderating if I abused my powers like you think I did.


He usually chats with me on Facebook/Skype before he locks anything. So it isn't done lightly


Like, why say this? That is so uncalled for. Heuer is an extremely dedicated mod and any decision he makes I would back him on. There is no point in publicly picking fights.

Silly geese, we both know that I obviously just pick a random thread to lock or delete. lol j/k ♥


I'm not picking fights. I'm speaking my mind. Heuer knows I don't like him, and he knows myself along with some other members, know he shouldn't have mod. I mean, he did go on a huge ban spree which got him in trouble.



You may think it's unnecessary, but that is your opinion. I don't just post shit to get people started. If I feel a certain way, or feel as if I want to express myself. Then I will do so.

I could be a lot nicer to people, and I could ease up on the speaking my mind so much. But, that's my personality. I'm blunt, and I will say how I feel, even if it pisses you off so bad, you punch a newborn.

Hmm let's see have I gotten in trouble over any type of banning before on this website? The answer is quite simply no. The thing you're referring to is because Mr P wanted to know why YOU were causing so much trouble with the forum atmosphere and if there was anything that could be done without banning you. It turned out that was the only thing that got to you.


I 100% agree with what he is saying. I got banned for a week from the live stream a few months back, because I was voicing my opinion. Unfortunately, my opinion did not match the opinions of everyone else, so they starting going crazy and it lead to me receiving a week long ban. I refrain from sharing my opinion with this community anymore, because it is just made up of random kids who put "TLN" in front of their names and think they own the place (ex. Shelly). Overall, I just come on this website to watch the LAN's, and only comment on forum posts that I feel are really stupid (ex. this one), and call for a more intelligent opinion. I have noticed over the course of my membership that this website is very one sided, and without different opinions and viewpoints, there really isn't such thing as a community.

P.S. - I know there are going to be a lot of people disagreeing with what I have to say and the fact that I mentioned "Shelly," but the truth is I DON'T CARE!!!!

Just an FYI you were banned by an administrator, not a moderator, for your actions in question.

[Fierce]

Stop abusing your power, heuer

[MichaelMongrel]

I wish I wasn't insanely sleepy. I would type a well thought out post out.

Could you answer some of the stuff in my most recent post?

[mrkillboy]

I want everyone to know that this thread wasn't about telling people to stop voicing their opinions. But you know what, there isn't only one way to voice an opinion. You can voice an opinion in a way that says, "Hey, I respect your opinion, but I politely disagree."

That is a very strong valid point. However, when I have an opinion, I am going to voice it how I see fit. I don't censor what I say, so people feel warm and fuzzy inside. This is a gaming community forum. Some people get all emo and sad when people like Gym and I, say how we feel or voice our opinions. Gym has said it time and time again. If you honestly get said or mad over something said on these forums, you must be living in your parents basement, cut off from the world. When you're older and you get out into the real world, people are not going to give two shits about how you feel, when they voice how they feel, or voice their opinion. I'm not saying this forum is anything like the real world. But, if you're inclined to cry over a forum post, then you should stay in your parent's basement for the rest of your life.

This forum can be related to the real world. How? Because this is a community. Not everyone in a community is going to get along. I mean look at Heuer and I. We hate each other. In the real world, the places you live, or hangout, or whatever, are considered communities. There are going to be people in those places who, out right just hate you, with every ounce of their being. They are going to voice how they feel about you, they are going to openly tell you your opinion or way of life is wrong. They are going to bash you every chance they get.


Why is it a problem to ask that the community try to maintain a mature atmosphere? Why is a thread about making this forum a better place being talked down on?

It isn't a problem. Not in the slightest. From what I understand, you think there is a problem with how the community is acting. I think you're wrong. The community is acting like any other community. If you think this community is bad, don't walk outside, and be a part of your community. I know you will be heart broken, and you will probably write a letter to the local news paper, about how everyone is treating each other badly.


No community is perfect. To try to have everyone treat each other with respect and have everyone treat each other nice, is out right crazy.

This thread is your opinion. You think the community is taking a turn for the worst. Some people think you're wrong, and that is why people are "talking down" your thread.


Now even though some of you don't like this thread, I'm not gonna hate on you for it, but take the people that browse these forums in mind before yourself. Because ultimately, a selfish community isn't a productive one.

Why in the world, would I take in mind people before myself? First rule of life. Look after yourself first.

What as a community are we trying to produce, or do together? It only takes a single person to let other people know about TLN. It's not like we need the community as a whole to tell one person.


Despite what you may think, a forums community has an ATMOSPHERE. If half the people begin to argue with each other, it becomes a very unpleasant place to visit.
It's like when you hang out with friends and two of them get in an intense argument (NOT a debate)... Is it fun to hang out with them during that? HELL NO.

If people get sour over what other people say. They should; 1. Leave TLN. 2. Get off the internet. 3. Grow up. 4. Never go outside. 5. Spend my tax money because they get all sad and try to kill themselves over something someone else says.


Just be considerate and try to understand I'm not telling people to shut up completely.

But, you are trying to tell people to shut up. You're not Mrs. P. Mr. P., or any admin for that matter. So you have no say in whether I can speak or not.

[MichaelMongrel]

You just have a completely different view on how a forum community should run. I guess that's okay, although I don't like how you seem to think that you should be allowed to be as free to argue as you want.

This is just an example regarding the way you go about your business:
You're a military man, right? Do you feel the need to talk back to your commanding officer when you disagree? Because what I am getting from what you are saying is that you fearlessly voice your opinion, no matter the circumstances.

[MichaelMongrel]

I am in No-way against you Mongrel, in fact I genuinely consider you a friend, but I want to make it very clear that your example (speaking back to a commanding officer) has no relevance here. We are all equal, and the way you worded it, sure makes you sound above the rest of us.....

Oh, that's not at all what I was saying. I was addressing Killboy's quality of "fearlessly voicing an opinion". He was referring to the "real world" multiple times, and I thought I'd throw in one. And that's not the only circumstance where you probably shouldn't argue. The real world isn't always gonna be about yourself. If it was always about yourself, you probably wouldn't be getting anywhere career-wise. Cause in order to do what you need to do for yourself, you also have to be considerate of other people, so as to earn your money.

I just think that it's not too hard to voice an opinion in a different way. And I don't just mean sugar-coating it.
There is a difference between saying
"Pityful." and "I thought the TLN teams could've done better at Dallas, but oh well." I guess that's kinda sugar-coating, but is it really that hard to do that and still stand by your opinion?

[PK Toolboxxx]

Thank you for clarifying Tim. I knew you had good intentions, but I wanted everyone to read it, and know exactly what you meant.

agreed Mongrel has had good intentions in the creation of this thread.

[americanbash]

I am glad someone voiced their opinion on this topic. Although I doubt we will see a lot of change in this manner, I like that there are some people who want to see the change for the better. We all joined this forum to be able to appreciate each other and not be ridiculed like most people on the MLG forums.

[mrkillboy]

I guess I'll start sugar coating things, and lying to everyone. So people stop crying about the atmosphere, and how I openly voice my feelings/ideas.

[PK Toolboxxx]

I guess I'll start sugar coating things, and lying to everyone. So people stop crying about the atmosphere, and how I openly voice my feelings/ideas.

thank god. glad to hear this.

[HavkinKnight]

I guess I'll start sugar coating things, and lying to everyone. So people stop crying about the atmosphere, and how I openly voice my feelings/ideas.

or you could leave. i mean that is another idea. if it so bad here and you cant "speak your mind" then i guess here is not where you belong. if you consider being Kind being a lie then thats pretty messed up.

PS no one here is "Crying" we just i dont know have an ounce of respect for people.

[mrkillboy]

or you could leave. i mean that is another idea. if it so bad here and you cant "speak your mind" then i guess here is not where you belong. if you consider being Kind being a lie then thats pretty messed up.

PS no one here is "Crying" we just i dont know have an ounce of respect for people.

Reporting you to the mods. You hurt my feelings. Not cool.

[HavkinKnight]

Reporting you to the mods. You hurt my feelings. Not cool.

wow thats kinda two faced ant it? "Mr. if you cant handle the truth dont be here" i find it odd that you cant seem to follow your own point of view. i find it very becoming of you. Killboy your true colors showed here in this post. you can insult and "speak your mind" and "not suger coat" anything but when someone is blunt with you or calls you out you Cry to a mod. guess in the end all you really are is a Troll.

[mrkillboy]

wow thats kinda two faced ant it? "Mr. if you cant handle the truth dont be here" i find it odd that you cant seem to follow your own point of view. i find it very becoming of you. Killboy your true colors showed here in this post. you can insult and "speak your mind" and "not suger coat" anything but when someone is blunt with you or calls you out you Cry to a mod. guess in the end all you really are is a Troll.

It's called being sarcastic. I don't cry to any mods. Silly man.

[HavkinKnight]

Ha your funny ill talk to the mods cuz you always go crying to them

[mrkillboy]

Ha your funny ill talk to the mods cuz you always go crying to them

Ask a mod if I have said anything to them. I don't cry to the mods. If someone has something to say to me, I respect that. Most people just cry in secret. You on the other hand, are more manly and call me out. Which I respect and like.

[Fierce]

Only masculine, burly men have the balls to call someone out to their face....on the internet

[mrkillboy]

Only masculine, burly men have the balls to call someone out to their face....on the internet

I wish we had a like button. lol

[mrkillboy]

That was a long time ago, Gym. I've already talked to a mod. I'm going to be nicer.

[mrkillboy]

This thread should be closed and deleted.

[D Moralize]

Ask a mod if I have said anything to them. I don't cry to the mods. If someone has something to say to me, I respect that. Most people just cry in secret. You on the other hand, are more manly and call me out. Which I respect and like.

Im pretty sure you PMed me when havkin posted something mean about you. Not saying you were wrong to do so, just that like everyone else when you have a problem you do tell the mods.

[mrkillboy]

Im pretty sure you PMed me when havkin posted something mean about you. Not saying you were wrong to do so, just that like everyone else when you have a problem you do tell the mods.

Like I said, it was a long time ago.

[Sabrea]

This just straight up turned into a MrKillboy versus the community topic.

My opinion to this topic is that yeah okay not everyone is going to be perfect, people are going to speak their minds but all I ask for in anyone if they are bashing me or any other member about anything is to have a reason why and that they should see if they would like to talk about it if they are willing to. I believe most of the community members ( That I talk to which is quite a few people) would have a positive mind set. Its like this.. You are on a sports team (Which would be TLN) and you are wearing your jersey/hat/anything sports related (TLN in your name bio motto or known for going on it) you go in to a store and steal something and get caught (Talking bad about the community on live). When that person caught you for stealing and sees your jersey/hat/ or anything sports related that you are wearing they are going to make auto assumptions about that team and not want to go or speak bad about it. I am not sure if that makes sense I just rambled I think but yeah thats my opinion hope it makes sense lol.

[RagingChickens]

This just straight up turned into a MrKillboy versus the community topic.

My opinion to this topic is that yeah okay not everyone is going to be perfect, people are going to speak their minds but all I ask for in anyone if they are bashing me or any other member about anything is to have a reason why and that they should see if they would like to talk about it if they are willing to. I believe most of the community members ( That I talk to which is quite a few people) would have a positive mind set. Its like this.. You are on a sports team (Which would be TLN) and you are wearing your jersey/hat/anything sports related (TLN in your name bio motto or known for going on it) you go in to a store and steal something and get caught (Talking bad about the community on live). When that person caught you for stealing and sees your jersey/hat/ or anything sports related that you are wearing they are going to make auto assumptions about that team and not want to go or speak bad about it. I am not sure if that makes sense I just rambled I think but yeah thats my opinion hope it makes sense lol.

Basically what you are saying is if someone runs into a TLN member online and they get teabagged and trash talked by them, they are going to assume that every single person on TLN is an ass like that. That makes perfect sense. So people here with negative attitudes are actually discouraging people from going on TLN.

I still like MKB though, sometimes there needs to be arguments to keep things interesting. That's why a lot of peoples marriages last for a long time, because they argue and keep things interesting. Idk, that's just how I feel.

[Gruntly]

As a new memeber, I'm glad this topic is being discussed. Nothing has been said to me personally that would cause me to see it as an insult. But, I have seen a couple instances where things are said that are outright insults. Remember you can speak your mind and be completely repspectful at the same time

If you are unable to be respectful when speaking you mind, that tells me you have no backing to what your saying. If you really want someone to listen to you, and take what you say seriously, then give some support to what you are saying.


Heres the thing everybody, TLN isnt a country, its a business, and when you are posting on TLN you represent that business in a way, not as much as a mod or admin, but think of it as a two guys yelling and fighting in mcdonalds, they don't work there, and they both have free speech, but its bad for mcdonalds business to let it continue so they will ask them to settle down or leave. If you are bad for TLN's business they have every right to quiet you, it is a privately owned forum, you dont have the right to post whatever you want here. I agree we should all be able to voice our opinions without being scared of being "punished" for it, but when you can't word your opinions nicely, or you constantly take stabs at another member regardless of the thread/quality of post, or you automatically take the side of someone you like and gang up on people, or you post things obviously just to be an attention whore I think you deserve to get something done to you, even if its just shutting you up for a day. When it is so obvious that someone is only disagreeing with a post because of who posted it and not what they posted there is an obvious problem. Just to clarify Im not a supporter of censorship, but I think we are all smart enough to understand that if what you are saying is bad for business then there is no reason to let you say it.

I completely agree with this. TLN is not a free country. It's a business, and that business needs to take the initiative in dealing with problems such as the one in the OP.

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Again, this is coming from someone who recently joined, so feel free to take w/e i say lightly.

[DeeLuv]

One of the reasons, if not the biggest reason that I joined here is the respect that the community shows for one another. Got sick of seeing the senseless flamewars that I see on other forums. I'm not a kid, I'm an adult, and prefer to talk to people who aren't into senseless insults and name calling. For me, that phase wore off about my 8th grade year. lol.

[MichaelMongrel]

As a new memeber, I'm glad this topic is being discussed. Nothing has been said to me personally that would cause me to see it as an insult. But, I have seen a couple instances where things are said that are outright insults. Remember you can speak your mind and be completely repspectful at the same time

If you are unable to be respectful when speaking you mind, that tells me you have no backing to what your saying. If you really want someone to listen to you, and take what you say seriously, then give some support to what you are saying.



I completely agree with this. TLN is not a free country. It's a business, and that business needs to take the initiative in dealing with problems such as the one in the OP.

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Again, this is coming from someone who recently joined, so feel free to take w/e i say lightly.

You and DeeLuv's opinions are greatly appreciated. Even if you didn't agree with the OP, I'm glad you are getting involved with the community.
Keep posting so as to add variety here and keep the place fresh and enjoyable.