No New Premium Members !!

[Mr P]

For all the TLN faithful :

No more Premium Memberships will be sold, if you already have a Premium membership you will be able to keep it going. The only way to view the LAN's if you don't have a Premium account will be to purchase a Stream Pass. All Stream Passes will be $12.99 for each LAN, so it's a benefit to be a Premium Member !!

Scheduled LAN's and prices :

May 6-8
Pro's vs Joe's $ 6.99

May 19-22
4 Team LAN $ 12.99

May 26-29
5 Team LAN $ 12.99

I look forward to all of this action in May !!
To all of our Members I hope you enjoy all of the action, and if your not a member buying a Stream pass will be your own decision !!

[chris_cr33p]

ok sounds fair. good thing i have my premium membership.

[mrkillboy]

I don't like this idea, Mr. P. Sorry, mate.

[RagingChickens]

So wait, pre-existing premium members will be able to keep paying for their subscription? Or can they only have it until it runs out?

[Vox]

Premium now feels like VIP...
I've never been a VIP...except in the Halo 3 gametype...

Love my membership...TLN FTW

[Mr P]

So wait, pre-existing premium members will be able to keep paying for their subscription? Or can they only have it until it runs out?

They could keep paying !!

[SM Aggie]

sounds good mr.p...can't wait for the lans

[Benjak]

I like this idea, especially since I'm a premium member. Does this mean there is going to be a "Premium Member Badge"?

[HavkinKnight]

is this like for ever or like just for a short time?

[RagingChickens]

They could keep paying !!

Okay phew! Well then I guess this isn't bad at all :)

[Jewjitsu]

Definitely glad im premium, i hope people buy the stream passes so TLN can keep going and going!

[Imp3nded]

Been premium member since day 1. =) <3

[TACO]

Premium :)

[Chilley]

Premuim is now 1337

[HavkinKnight]

im stoked im Prem!

[Antidote]

Any chance of premium memberships coming back for those of us who have been around a while? Not mad, just curious. I understand the reasoning.

[cF WiNGER]

Well thank god I got my Premium membership still!!!!

[Letthe]

Why is this more expensive than watching an MLG event?

[Synystars]

Well then....damn. Thats ok though, $13 is like �8 or �9 for me :D

[HavkinKnight]

wait what happens if you go to Basic membership then wanna go back to Prem

[iDactyl]

wait what happens if you go to Basic membership then wanna go back to Prem

This.

I always bought the 2 month premium membership with paypal....I have a perfect track record of never charging back or whatever those people were doing. Does this mean I can get premium again?

[Mr P]

is this like for ever or like just for a short time?
This is forever guys !!

[Gweedo888]

hey Mr P my card is getting changed here with in the next week how can i changed my card number to keep my premium membership going?

[FeaR]

Yea, not really sure how I feel about this considering I was here before the switch to this site but never really was too interested in just spectating until this year. Personally I'm not going to pay $13 per event but, if you'd allow me to signup for the monthly or yearly subscription I'd be willing to do that so I can watch the streams when there aren't events going on.

[xMortyZx]

Hey Joe, can I just renew my premium now (ends this month)? As this will be my first renewal I'm a little unsure how the process works.

And Gweedo's cards running out cause he's secretly an HVT (high value target) who burns through credit cards faster than Lady GaGa.

[Xzwolf]

What are the benefits of having a Premium membership?

[Waterboy7]

Thanks for the update Mr.P

I'm not going anywhere any time soon. I'll stick around and have had no problems regarding payment with TLN. I have had more problems with MLG due to HD streaming over the past 4 events. I am glad and honored of being a part of TLN. Thanks Mr.P for all your dedication and hard work your family has to endure to keep this site running.

OT:

My only next move is to be able to go to a JvP some time in the future. But I want to be able to take my brother as well. So I might be purchasing 2 tickets as soon as I have some free time off work. Just hope my time off falls under the JvP schedule.

[D Moralize]

Will there be something you can purchase that allows you to view the day to day streams when there isnt anything special going on if your not premium?

[Eclipse]

nice move, i hope it works out.

[slippyal2]

Which teams are in 4 team lan?

[americanbash]

What are the benefits of having a Premium membership?

Basically a Premium membership lets you watch the stream anytime. Which includes any of the LAN's. A lot of the pros stream often like T2, Bert and FIS

[Briimstone]

What are the benefits of having a Premium membership?
Its cheaper to watch the lans.

I don't mean to be rude, but why the change?

[Roastbeef_253]

Not going to lie, but I feel like you are punishing SOME of us for making a bad decision earlier. I didn't have a card or a PayPal account originally so I had no way of paying for anything at all. Then, everything is cancelled before I have the opportunity/benefit of signing up for membership. The way you had your payments set up originally was going to be a failure, and that should have been seen by ANYONE who has ever taken an economics or accounting class. People are always going to try and get the most benefit they can for the least amount of money possible. While it may be rude or unethical, it is how MOST people are. If you look at other subscription/monthly membership sites, they do not have their subscriptions available how you did. For example, I am going to list how your membership options should be, and why....

#1 - Stream Pass: I will use your existing price of $12.99 per LAN. This is a great, and reasonable price to offer, for 4 days of HQ content. Not going to argue here.

#2 - Monthly Pass: Here is where you went wrong. Your "activation charge" should be considerably higher at this point. For this example, we will use a Monthly reoccurring subscription cost of $9.99 with an activation charge of $29.99. While you may disagree with the price of the activation charge, consider this. EVERY time somebody activates a monthly subscription they will get charged $29.99 so this IS NOT a 1 time charge. This will detour people from buying a monthly subscription, then cancelling, only to reactivate again when the next LAN comes around. This means that, for the first month, people will be paying a price of ($29.99+$9.99) $39.98. This is not unreasonable and you will have to have at least 3 LANs in a month to make this a cheaper option than buying the stream pass. Even with 3 LANs, it is only $1.01 cheaper, therefore, it's not really worth it...

Alright, here is where the math comes in....Assuming that you hold approximately 3 LANs in a 2-Month period, it will take 4 months for the cost of buying a stream pass to outweigh the cost of a CONTINUOUS monthly membership. So basically, people will have to be committed to being a premium member of TLN for 4 months for them to consider buying a monthly membership. If you, Mr. P, feel like you want a longer commitment, then you increase the price of the "activation charge" accordingly....

[ScottySunHands]

This kind of bums me out, I'm really new and all, but I'd like to watch the lans whenever I'd like. And as many users have already said the Lan Pass is a great and reasonable idea.
Getting rid of premium though just kind of seems unfortunate I guess.
If I could get premium, I would.
Hopefully in the future, you could offer more features to the premium membership and maybe bump the price up accordingly, and continue to offer the Lan Pass.
The only reason I couldn't really agree with getting rid of Premium is because I cant really understand why you would get rid of that source of possible revenue (especially when people are willing to pay it).

[Str8 Aggression]

To be honest, I really loved the two month Paypal subscription, I honestly wouldn't mind paying a little more to have something that doesn't have a recurring charge like the premium membership had. I mean typically there is 2 LANs per two months, if the 2 month subscription was say $30, it would come out to $15 per LAN which is a little more than the stream pass while granting you access to peace of mind from recurring charges and the ability to see the stream when people like T2 or FiS are playing.

[Jewjitsu]

i don't really know how the premium passes were before, cause i got mine like a year ago, but what if there was some sort of contract where whoever buys a monthly membership has to have it for a minimum of 2 months until they can opt to cancel, and include a cancellation fee if they cancel early or something. i would agree that offering monthly memberships should generate more revenue than 13$ per lan, especially since more and more people learn of this site every day.

[Gweedo888]

Hey Joe, can I just renew my premium now (ends this month)? As this will be my first renewal I'm a little unsure how the process works.

And Gweedo's cards running out cause he's secretly an HVT (high value target) who burns through credit cards faster than Lady GaGa.
ha ha ha i wish i would be that way if the wife didn't control the finances lol but no just let it go they should charge your card if you are a monthly i might just wait till the 21 before activating the new card since that seems to be when they charge me lol but no my bank changed carriers so i had to get a whole new card number

[D Moralize]

#2 - Monthly Pass: Here is where you went wrong. Your "activation charge" should be considerably higher at this point. For this example, we will use a Monthly reoccurring subscription cost of $9.99 with an activation charge of $29.99. While you may disagree with the price of the activation charge, consider this. EVERY time somebody activates a monthly subscription they will get charged $29.99 so this IS NOT a 1 time charge. This will detour people from buying a monthly subscription, then cancelling, only to reactivate again when the next LAN comes around. This means that, for the first month, people will be paying a price of ($29.99+$9.99) $39.98. This is not unreasonable and you will have to have at least 3 LANs in a month to make this a cheaper option than buying the stream pass. Even with 3 LANs, it is only $1.01 cheaper, therefore, it's not really worth it...



I really think this would be the way to go, have an activation fee of say 15-20 dollars that you only pay when you activate your account, so if you keep premium forever it is a one time charge, but if you attempt to exploit it you would pay about as much as 2 lans initially and then the same price again if you did cancel and then renew, sort of like the activation fee for getting your cable or internet turned back on.

[ScottySunHands]

I really think this would be the way to go, have an activation fee of say 15-20 dollars that you only pay when you activate your account, so if you keep premium forever it is a one time charge, but if you attempt to exploit it you would pay about as much as 2 lans initially and then the same price again if you did cancel and then renew, sort of like the activation fee for getting your cable or internet turned back on.

I second this. Took the words out of my mouth. Everyone would be happy.
Maybe there is hope for me to get Premium yet!

The loyalists wouldn't be getting screwed.
The people abusing the system wouldn't do it anymore.
The option for premium and thus further helping the site is still available.
Logically, definitely the best idea thus far.

[Roastbeef_253]

I really think this would be the way to go, have an activation fee of say 15-20 dollars that you only pay when you activate your account, so if you keep premium forever it is a one time charge, but if you attempt to exploit it you would pay about as much as 2 lans initially and then the same price again if you did cancel and then renew, sort of like the activation fee for getting your cable or internet turned back on.



I second this. Took the words out of my mouth. Everyone would be happy.
Maybe there is hope for me to get Premium yet!

Yeah, Hopefully they can try to integrate this to bring back some membership options, but I honestly don't see it happening. Mr. P got pretty upset and while I understand why he did what he did, it just goes to show what kind of "business" they are trying to run. Whoever came up with the original prices overlooked a lot of blatantly obvious stuff. I can't remember what Mr. P does for a living, but if I remember correctly he deals a lot with money and numbers and finances. I would think somebody with his knowledge/experience should have seen this coming and prevented it originally with more appropriate numbers. Really makes you think about the credibility of everything else on this site.....

[ScottySunHands]

Yeah, Hopefully they can try to integrate this to bring back some membership options, but I honestly don't see it happening. Mr. P got pretty upset and while I understand why he did what he did, it just goes to show what kind of "business" they are trying to run. Whoever came up with the original prices overlooked a lot of blatantly obvious stuff. I can't remember what Mr. P does for a living, but if I remember correctly he deals a lot with money and numbers and finances. I would think somebody with his knowledge/experience should have seen this coming and prevented it originally with more appropriate numbers. Really makes you think about the credibility of everything else on this site.....

So someone made a mistake, but blaming it on credibility is not the answer here. In fact, doing just that is the exact opposite of what needs to happened. Positive feedback and support for the membership options would be ideal and if they don't happen support the community anyway. Sure, it's wishful thinking and all. I really don't know why you would even say anything about the credibility. The people here are cool, the staff is pretty legit, and the forums/stream are better than most you can find. (It's for the love of the game/people, right?)
That's so not credible.

[Roastbeef_253]

So someone made a mistake, but blaming it on credibility is not the answer here. In fact, doing just that is the exact opposite of what needs to happened. Positive feedback and support for the membership options would be ideal and if they don't happen support the community anyway. Sure, it's wishful thinking and all. I really don't know why you would even say anything about the credibility. The people here are cool, the staff is pretty legit, and the forums/stream are better than most you can find. (It's for the love of the game/people, right?)
That's so not credible.

Oh my friend, you will learn. Just like Krillin did, and went back to the MLG forums, you too will learn. The thing is that you can separate yourself from most of the trolls and unwelcoming kids on the MLG forums. Here, you don't have that option. You can't run away from them.

OT: I really don't care about TLN anymore. After a recent finding, I am sure that there will be no need for a monthly membership in the months to come. It just shows how corrupted TLN is too. I thought I left that as well when I joined here, but I guess not.

[ScottySunHands]

Oh my friend, you will learn. Just like Krillin did, and went back to the MLG forums, you too will learn. The thing is that you can separate yourself from most of the trolls and unwelcoming kids on the MLG forums. Here, you don't have that option. You can't run away from them.

OT: I really don't care about TLN anymore. After a recent finding, I am sure that there will be no need for a monthly membership in the months to come. It just shows how corrupted TLN is too. I thought I left that as well when I joined here, but I guess not.

It's like life man, everywhere you go there will be stupid people. Running away is not the answer (unless you're getting team shotted). As for the trolls and the kids, the trolls are getting what they want when you stop caring/rage. They are literally looking for an emotional response, so just ignore them. I'd be doing the same thing on the MLG forum.

OT: And as for corruption, I can't really see where you are coming from. Mr.P stopped allowing memberships, because people were taking advantage of it. That's corrupted. Stupid and childish people talked crap and maybe Mr.P let it get to him, or maybe he didn't and he is just finally presenting his actually valid points on that subject. Which I could care either way, talking badly about someone in the first place is just isn't needed so I could see why he said the things he did. Who am I to judge? Aside from that, Only having Lan Passes benefits Mr.P less than having memberships how they are. So in that scenario I see no corruption. If there is something relative to corruption I am entirely missing, then please, enlighten me.

[Roastbeef_253]

It's like life man, everywhere you go there will be stupid people. Running away is not the answer (unless you're getting team shotted). As for the trolls and the kids, the trolls are getting what they want when you stop caring/rage. They are literally looking for an emotional response, so just ignore them. I'd be doing the same thing on the MLG forum.

OT: And as for corruption, I can't really see where you are coming from. Mr.P stopped allowing memberships, because people were taking advantage of it. That's corrupted. Stupid and childish people talked crap and maybe Mr.P let it get to him, or maybe he didn't and he is just finally presenting his actually valid points on that subject. Which I could care either way, talking badly about someone in the first place is just isn't needed so I could see why he said the things he did. Who am I to judge? Aside from that, Only having Lan Passes benefits Mr.P less than having memberships how they are. So in that scenario I see no corruption. If there is something relative to corruption I am entirely missing, then please, enlighten me.

I am referring another thread at this point, and I'll just leave it at that. Just remember, that the people who are favored in this community are the people that don't speak their mind, agree with the general population and have a high post count.

OT: My point is that more people are beginning to come to understand the type of people running this community. Not just mods/admins but the posters as well. As this happens, more people will leave then are coming in on a monthly basis and Mr. P will continue to lose more money. Then, he will shut down TLN like he's apparently been contemplating doing (according to others...I'm not sure about that). There will be no need for monthly memberships. I think he is slowly sinking his own ship.

[ScottySunHands]

I am referring another thread at this point, and I'll just leave it at that. Just remember, that the people who are favored in this community are the people that don't speak their mind, agree with the general population and have a high post count.

OT: My point is that more people are beginning to come to understand the type of people running this community. Not just mods/admins but the posters as well. As this happens, more people will leave then are coming in on a monthly basis and Mr. P will continue to lose more money. Then, he will shut down TLN like he's apparently been contemplating doing (according to others...I'm not sure about that). There will be no need for monthly memberships. I think he is slowly sinking his own ship.

I think I have a feeling what thread, and I'm not going to drag that here. But to each their own.

OT: Mr.P is the boss and he will do so which he pleases. There is ultimately nothing we can do about the decisions he makes. We could give him input and if he listens then hallelujah. As for the posters that run the community, sure some of them may be spam posters and the likes, everyone already tries to ignore them. The users with a lot of posts that people listen to, have probably said some valid things and that's why the community looks to them. I'm not trying to be rude, but I just kinda feel like you're being pessimistic about the whole thing. If it's such a drag, why do you stick around? Personally, If you complain and don't try to better the issue then stick around and complain about it, you're only becoming what you hate so much, my friend.

[Roastbeef_253]

I really don't want to clutter up this thread with more posts, but feel free to PM me if you care to carry on this conversation. Also, this is one of those, "If you can't beat em, join em" communities. Basically I am trying to make myself on here go more along the lines with the others that have been praised or rewarded. Obviously it isn't working out as well for me cause my post count isn't high enough yet....

[RagingChickens]

Oh my friend, you will learn. Just like Krillin did, and went back to the MLG forums, you too will learn. The thing is that you can separate yourself from most of the trolls and unwelcoming kids on the MLG forums. Here, you don't have that option. You can't run away from them.

Remember when everyone always talked about how much better this forum was than MLG? Why did that change? I still think it is better, but I don't understand why everyone suddenly has this mindset that these forums are bad and full of trolls? There are maybe 1 or 2 at best. And they are friendly trolls. I don't understand what happened to you Roast Beef.

[ZeroCool]

This is an interesting change....but I'm just glad i'm a premium member. i think we should get premium badges now :)

[IrishKin]

Originally signed up as a premium member
Changed cards in January, new info sent to Peridious
Info was either entered incorrectly or not changed at all, haven't been charged sine December
Account downgraded to Free. PMs sent out about it, no reply...

[Morgan]

Yay, I feel special. <3 TLN and premium. :D

[FeaR]

Can someone explain how people were abusing the system though? There is probably one or two ways to compromise and make it work for everyone, because like many people if traffic increases to the site and it says "live streaming" at the top and no one can pay to watch it I don't understand why you'd even waste the money to stream other then LANs.

[Sabrea]

Thank god I am a Premium member.

[ScottySunHands]

Can someone explain how people were abusing the system though? There is probably one or two ways to compromise and make it work for everyone, because like many people if traffic increases to the site and it says "live streaming" at the top and no one can pay to watch it I don't understand why you'd even waste the money to stream other then LANs.

It's not everyone abusing it. It was the people, instead of paying the 13$ for a lan pass, would buy 1 month of membership and then cancel it at the end.

[FeaR]

Alright, so all you do is make the initial subscription startup fee of it being higher then the $13 pass...

[TLN Frost]

Well that sucks, I was wanting premium but ever since I joined it has told me the payment system is being upgraded...and it's been that way for a while...damn it...

[Gruntly]

Why not make Premium membership cost the same as Stream Passes, then just get rid of the stream passes...so all you have left is the premium membership as the only option.

[TsuIVami]

I think this is a good thing for TLN, but I also think that the daily streams need to come back, so the premium members actually have something to do here, aside from just the normal LANs

[D Moralize]

Why not make Premium membership cost the same as Stream Passes, then just get rid of the stream passes...so all you have left is the premium membership as the only option.

because there can be more than one lan a month, so to make it equal out for say may premium would be like $30 a month

[MrChaosTheory]

I have a question...I bought a 2 month pass on March 3rd, am I forever classified as a premium member, without the stream access? Or once the pass runs out do I go back to a regular member status, and have to purchase stream passes rather than repurchase a 2 month or sign up for 1 month?

[DaMuSiCFiEnD]

So I have a question I was a Premium Member, but it cancelled out in April, so for all those who were Premium Members they don't have to pay to watch a stream anymore, and I do since i didn't have the funds for the moment?

Also, when I was a premium member I could watch stream of people playing, so will I not be allowed to that anymore. Or would it be free and just cost during a lan?

[ITCHY]

Not a bad idea! I know a lot of people hate the idea of a "Recurring charge" ie: Premium membership so offering just the one time pass is sweet. Although I'm extremely stoked that I'm part of that Elite Premium Membership group!

[ScottySunHands]

Not a bad idea! I know a lot of people hate the idea of a "Recurring charge" ie: Premium membership so offering just the one time pass is sweet. Although I'm extremely stoked that I'm part of that Elite Premium Membership group!

It would be awesome if there was both though. I think this is the issue some of us are having. Who knows what will happen.

Edit: Whats already happen has happen. I guess I meant that I hope we get both options back somehow. Of course membership would have to be modified.

[ITCHY]

It would be awesome if there was both though. I think this is the issue some of us are having. Who knows what will happen.

Edit: Whats already happen has happen. I guess I meant that I hope we get both options back somehow. Of course membership would have to be modified.

And I can understand still offering the membership service at lower rates as a plus for future members that would be interested in that service. But I also look at as a smart move for the site/owner (Mr P.). Its a way of locking in current memberships due to people not wanting to pay more for just one time stream passes and having that sense of "Loyalty" or being a part of an "Elite" group that can no longer be purchased while at the same time allowing people who only like watching LAN's their favorite teams attend, pick and choose which LAN they pay to watch.

Not every decision a business makes will please EVERY customer.

[MrChaosTheory]

because there can be more than one lan a month, so to make it equal out for say may premium would be like $30 a month

Yes but both would be paying the same and gaining the same. I think one rate for one person and another for the other, even though they view the same is extortion, for lack of a better word. I also think people "abused" the system because between March 28th and 6th of May there is no new exclusive content. I don't think people "abused" the system, they are just careful with their money, money that is relevant and matters more to people now more than ever.

Now like I had asked before [this is not really pertaining to you], If I purchased a 2 month pass, am I no longer a premium member after it runs out, can I not repurchase either the 2 month or 1 month?


Not every decision a business makes will please EVERY customer.

I am sure there is a common phrase that denotes something different.

With most business's in a field similar to this, you pay an activation fee/loyalty fee and because of that you get things for a cheaper rate. Removing the possibility of new premium members means that loyalty is no longer a priority.

[ScottySunHands]

Mr.P is not allowing any new premium members. Thus if you do not already have the reoccurring subscription you can not become a premium member and to watch the lans you have to buy the LP's. The reason this happened is because LP's are 13$ and Prem was cheaper than that (I dont know what the price was). So people were buying 1 month of Prem and canceling at the end of the month, instead of buying the LP.

The reason the ideas for an activation charge for Prem was even brought up was to allow more people to become Prem, while still allowing LP's and getting rid of the abuse the system was currently taking.

If you allow Prem to run out, I'm pretty sure you can't renew it because you can't access the upgrade page.

All that is available to people as of now is only the LP's.

Hopefully this cleared up some of the questions and the likes of this thread. Most of the discussion based on the modified features of a premium membership were just ideas being thrown out to maybe bring it back for potential new members (and old members) who would be loyal.

That is all.

Edit: Mr.P also said that if you are already premium you can the subscription. He isn't going to make people NOT premium. Just no new members.

[ITCHY]

Yes but both would be paying the same and gaining the same. I think one rate for one person and another for the other, even though they view the same is extortion, for lack of a better word. I also think people "abused" the system because between March 28th and 6th of May there is no new exclusive content. I don't think people "abused" the system, they are just careful with their money, money that is relevant and matters more to people now more than ever.

Now like I had asked before [this is not really pertaining to you], If I purchased a 2 month pass, am I no longer a premium member after it runs out, can I not repurchase either the 2 month or 1 month?



I am sure there is a common phrase that denotes something different.

With most business's in a field similar to this, you pay an activation fee/loyalty fee and because of that you get things for a cheaper rate. Removing the possibility of new premium members means that loyalty is no longer a priority.

Making a move/change like this is not irreversible. It can always be modified in the future. The only thing constant is change and for the time being (and right now until a time that is either unknown or undisclosed) this is the service that will be offered. Of course I've seen Mr. P. implement members feedback time and time again when dealing with this site/community. But still I stand by my statement that not EVERY customer will ALWAYS be pleased. Especially when dealing with the type of consumers that this market is full of.

[MrChaosTheory]

So I am making a positive contribution and no just looking like a complainer:

Plan before change:

1 Month was $5 with $5 activation. I think.

2 Month was $20

LAN Pass $13. I think.

In a 6 month period there is 6/7 LANs, 2 PvJ's. I would say these estimates are bang on or slightly underestimated.

If each person viewed the LAN's and PvJ's it is/was $92 with passes. With 1 month reoccurring and activation $35. 2 months, $60.

What I propose is a 6 month plan. Whereby you pay still in LAN passes, 1 month reoccurring or 2 months:

1 month, $15 activation, $5 a month. Doesn't displease existing members.

$22 for 2 months.

$12 LAN passes.

In a 6 month period you can cancel your premium subscription, however if cancelled for over 1 month in that period you have to reactivate your membership [$15]. You would have a window of 3 days in and outside of that 1 month so as not to confuse payment dates.

For the LAN passes this reduces the incentive of "abusing the system" as they are paying less to watch one stream, but in the long run are paying more, with this price plan in a two week period it makes more sense to subscribe. If they watch 4 or more LANs. this increases the incentive of becoming a premium member, as it cost less in the long run.

The cancellation clause means that you do not have to pay for 1 month out of 6, obviously you do not gain access to premium content. This means if someone knows they will not be watching premium content in that month window, they do not have to pay, but does not have their subscription cancelled.

This is only a concept, but I think it is beneficial in all the right area's, people are encouraged to be loyal, and also it is clear that the reoccurring option is a better deal, however the other options aren't extortionate by comparison.

The numbers can be jiggled in order to fit your average income from the site, as long as premium 1 month is not. It is the structure of the plan and balancing in prices I would look at. The price differences I have shown are what I think are reasonable. As a consumer I think that is what is important, if it seems fair and balanced the prices do not matter as much. No one likes to feel ripped off.

[SmartzOvahShotz]

I'm with the one member who basically said..."what happened?"

I feel so clueless. One day everyone, myself included, was talking about how much better this place was than MLG. I personally have met a ton of nice people, i love the site, LOVE the information about the gaming that comes straight here. I just don't get where it all took a turn?

And honestly, if you don't even count the few rough threads, its still that same site. To me at least. I dunno *shrug* maybe its just easy for me to ignore trolls or whatever you want to call em.

I still stand behind TLN FTW, i hope it stays :( badly

EDIT: I mean heck, i got to "talk" to T2! Who's been my fav gamer for like 3 years. Only TLN can bring that! This place is the best. Even getting to "talk" to Mr P, i mean where else can you go and talk to the site owner and make suggestions and get great feedback.

Mr.P Stay strong bro, I still love ya.

[j00 d00 v00d00]

if ur goal was to lose money, u achieved it. congratulations

[madruler]

I believe the service entirely should be streamlined so that there is two different pay options: 1. Premium membership at 24.99 with an initial activation fee of $15 dollars; 2. Lan passes at 12.99 per lan. The first option would curtail membership cancellations and activations for those trying to abuse the premium experience; whereas, the second option would be good for widening your user base to those that want to try out the lan network. In my experience, I recently became interested in TLN approximately two months ago and decided I would like to try out the "network" everyone was talking about for competitive halo. I enjoyed the ability to chat with fellow members in the stream section even when streams were not being shown on a daily basis and was experiencing a taste of what this site offered. After my membership ended recently, I am unable to continue enjoying the features that I once had as a new member. That is why I feel that for the future expansion of this site it is important to reinstate the premium system to new members to allow for continuity and investment into this increasing community. Thanks for the hard work Mr. P that you and your family put into this site. I really hope that you sincerely think about the response I have posted about the future of the membership service :)

Thanks
Mad RuIer

[Joe Fries]

if ur goal was to lose money, u achieved it. congratulations

We've been losing money since Day 1. We know we achieved that goal.

OT: I love all of the ideas that I've seen in this thread. I'm sure there is a way to make Premium Memberships return with ideas like this.

This is why I love this community. It is great to have something that could be viewed as a negative posted by Mr P, but our community steps up with so many good ideas on how to change and improve the system.

Many times in business you need multiple perspectives, and Mr. P, alone, is calling the shots right now. It is very easy to miss something when you're the only person looking at the picture. If emotions are involved it is even harder to see clearly. It makes me so happy to come on the forums and see all of you thinking so clearly.

Thanks everyone.

And to all of you thinking our forums have changed:

They haven't. I don't even know why people would think that. It's the same website, the same people, the same posts. Nobody plays favorites and everyone speaks their mind. Don't let one rotten egg make you think differently. I love this place and I will defend it to the death.

[j00 d00 v00d00]

sigh, too late for me, but w.e.

1 month membership, $20

3 month membership, 35$

6 month membership, $50

stream pass, 13 honestly is very expensive. personally i would lower it to somewhere between $8 and $10.

this way there is no canceling of subscriptions in order to cheat the site out of money. Honestly though, coming from a business perspective, the worst thing you want to do is PROHIBIT people from becoming paying members of your site.... I mean think about that for a second here.... I wanted to by at least one month pass, and most likely would have let it go longer because of all the LAN's that are coming up. That is money in your pocket.... to be honest, I refuse to pay $13 dollars per stream for every LAN that I want to watch.

You are not dealing with the richest people here. Most of the people are going to be in the demographic of 16-25 years old, meaning in high school, college, or just starting their jobs.

Frankly, I see no way that the owner of the site, or anyone, would think that banning people from subscribing to the site is a good idea. If people found a loophole in the payment system, then fix it, do not remove it all together.

I know I'm new to this site and the forums, but from the way it is being managed, there is not too much good to say about it other than the community itself, which I have heard is a very good community.

@Joe, if you have been losing money since day one, change up the payment method. The method I gave above can be tweaked to your liking. Also, and this can add another large revenue stream, advertisements on the sides and bottom of the pages are great ways to make some easy money. If the site is destined to lose money, and you have accepted that already, then what is the point of banning newcomers from enjoying the streams? All you are doing is upsetting the people who don't have it, while not gaining anything in return.

Just some thoughts for you.

[ARareCreature]

Always supported TLN, but im not going to pay 13 $ for one lan, thats more than the mlg hd pass....

[j00 d00 v00d00]

so there is absolutely no way to watch the streaming that is going on right now?

[ScottySunHands]

We've been losing money since Day 1. We know we achieved that goal.

OT: I love all of the ideas that I've seen in this thread. I'm sure there is a way to make Premium Memberships return with ideas like this.

This is why I love this community. It is great to have something that could be viewed as a negative posted by Mr P, but our community steps up with so many good ideas on how to change and improve the system.

Many times in business you need multiple perspectives, and Mr. P, alone, is calling the shots right now. It is very easy to miss something when you're the only person looking at the picture. If emotions are involved it is even harder to see clearly. It makes me so happy to come on the forums and see all of you thinking so clearly.

Thanks everyone.

And to all of you thinking our forums have changed:

They haven't. I don't even know why people would think that. It's the same website, the same people, the same posts. Nobody plays favorites and everyone speaks their mind. Don't let one rotten egg make you think differently. I love this place and I will defend it to the death.

You're welcome.

OT: I don't really know what "differences" people speak of in the site (been here like...a week?) but what I do know, is that as long as I HAVE been here things have been grand. People just need to learn when to just shut up and ignore someone, lol. Food for the thought.