TLN is dying

[Mxgdmn]

I believe The Lan Network is dying. The amount of content has decreased. The Stream page hasn't been updated in 2-3 months, it still shows the next event as the 2 previous PvJs that weren't even streamed on the website. They stopped doing interviews for some reason.
They need to start updating this website and returning to its old ways of doing a good job of keeping us entertained.

[chris_cr33p]

if you have read the top announcement on the hompage they are in the middle of making 6 streams available from many different players. they are in the middle of the season and Lans coming up as well as an event. Mr P is extremely busy and he works his ass of for this site and provide for his family. Everything will happen in time. BTW u have a lot of room to talk with ur 7 posts...... be more active

[itwuzmagik]

This site as not dead it is just resting for a little while ;) TLN= the best

[cF WiNGER]

I'm pretty much ending my first year here as a TLN member. Don't remember how it was when I first joined, but let's not forget it is also summer. People going on vacation, people scrambling for teams for Anahaim in just less than 2 weeks. I'm sure it will pick up again as we near the end of summer. I'm sure the Pennacchio family is going on vacations this summer as well and not working on TLN everyday. TLN isn't dying, it is just hibernating??? LOL

[Araneatrox]

I honestly think its because Halo Reach is a dying game. Some people may hate me for saying this but i think Sc2 and LoL are the next big things in MLG's future.

[Antidote]

I honestly think its because Halo Reach is a dying game. Some people may hate me for saying this but i think Sc2 and LoL are the next big things in MLG's future.

Gonna have to go a head and agree with this. Just haven't seen the same from Reach as the others.

[MidKnight]

maybe its cause you have only 7 posts, lol

[Antidote]

maybe its cause you have only 7 posts, lol

Pretty sure his post count has nothing to do with the lack of stuff on the forums.

[Cheeky]

Gonna have to go a head and agree with this. Just haven't seen the same from Reach as the others.

That's because reach doesn't have the awesome viewing capabilities SC2 has, also the spectator base is so much smaller cause no one wants to pay to fly to an event just to meet pros and watch the games being played...Plus SC2 has tournaments everywhere we only have good ones in the USA and they are 2 months apart. If We had mini tournaments before MLG I think that would bring in more spectators and fans. Like a top 16 bracket double elim commentated by either coaches, MLG personalities or something like that...I'd do it, just need the top 16 teams to cooperate, and that's to much to ask from 64 people....

[Toomuchmooin]

That's because reach doesn't have the awesome viewing capabilities SC2 has, also the spectator base is so much smaller cause no one wants to pay to fly to an event just to meet pros and watch the games being played...Plus SC2 has tournaments everywhere we only have good ones in the USA and they are 2 months apart. If We had mini tournaments before MLG I think that would bring in more spectators and fans. Like a top 16 bracket double elim commentated by either coaches, MLG personalities or something like that...I'd do it, just need the top 16 teams to cooperate, and that's to much to ask from 64 people....

I vote for mini-tournies that are streamed, doesn't even have to be top 16 teams, just a few of them need to be involved, and also a little stride championship series would be fun, I've been watch the ones from '08 the last few days. MLG should also take the TLN incentive and have players JTV streams on their site, and announce planned scrims like on TeamLiquid. Honestly if more people were willing to get involved and start doing things to build the fan base then I think it would go a long way towards bringing Halo to the forefront, since Halo was MLG's humble beginnings and really helped to start competitive gaming in the US after things like Quake and Unreal, which never got mainstream.

[Phrackture]

It's a mix of Halo Reach being a less than enjoying game compared to other Halos (when they sort out the gametypes so they don't change 1-2 times inbetween events it will be more fun again). Also, it being summer people are too busy to come on the forums every day.

[americanbash]

See TLN is like a caterpillar, right now we are in our cocoon. lol

[Cheeky]

I vote for mini-tournies that are streamed, doesn't even have to be top 16 teams, just a few of them need to be involved, and also a little stride championship series would be fun, I've been watch the ones from '08 the last few days. MLG should also take the TLN incentive and have players JTV streams on their site, and announce planned scrims like on TeamLiquid. Honestly if more people were willing to get involved and start doing things to build the fan base then I think it would go a long way towards bringing Halo to the forefront, since Halo was MLG's humble beginnings and really helped to start competitive gaming in the US after things like Quake and Unreal, which never got mainstream.

Agreed. I hope the bring back the Pro/AM showcase or something that will not only talk about upcoming players, but will give them more stuff to put out for the fans. Problem is SC2 has tournaments like every other week....Halo has one every 2 months....not good for us.

I'm going to come up with something to propose to MLG soon that will be pretty gnarly IMHO.


See TLN is like a caterpillar, right now we are in our cocoon. lol

You have become my new best friend :)

[AZUL]

NoYoU . _ .

[HEA7]

maybe its cause you have only 7 posts, lol

Everything will happen in time. BTW u have a lot of room to talk with ur 7 posts...... be more active
Posts like this, such as that infer that "post count matters" is why TLN is "dying"

[-ironman]

Agreed. After the Justin.tv partnership they got pretty lazy imo.

[Waterboy7]

I honestly think its because Halo Reach is a dying game. Some people may hate me for saying this but i think Sc2 and LoL are the next big things in MLG's future.

I blame Reach as well. Also a little known game that came out called SC :(

I also do not believe summer has anything to do with it. Back in the day when Lans were being stream from Tot's basement it still seemed more entertaining than watching Reach. I do believe TLN has been slacking for a while now. One of my really good friends is an I.T. guy. and said that the 404 page is not that hard to fix. I believe TLN needs somewhat of some TLC ;)

PvJ didn't even get streamed? cmon mang!

[Brwn]

TLN is just in the period of bridging towards what the community wants; vacations, summer mode, Anaheim so close, things are just hectic right now, but they will be improved in time and we will reach the destination.

This site as not dead it is just resting for a little while ;) TLN= the best
^This

See TLN is like a caterpillar, right now we are in our cocoon. lol
^& That
explain perfectly.

[MidKnight]

Gonna have to go a head and agree with this. Just haven't seen the same from Reach as the others.

posting more threads can reborn TLN, if alot of people start posting, and not coming and going, isnt gonna make us grow at all. People start posting and using the site more.

[Simsbad]

That's because reach doesn't have the awesome viewing capabilities SC2 has, also the spectator base is so much smaller cause no one wants to pay to fly to an event just to meet pros and watch the games being played...Plus SC2 has tournaments everywhere we only have good ones in the USA and they are 2 months apart. If We had mini tournaments before MLG I think that would bring in more spectators and fans. Like a top 16 bracket double elim commentated by either coaches, MLG personalities or something like that...I'd do it, just need the top 16 teams to cooperate, and that's to much to ask from 64 people....

Or we can get the top 4 or 5 teams to practice and for that practice to be recorded live.

[HavkinKnight]

TLN is not dying its just summer like everyone is saying yes reach settling in but 3 did the same thing. i think we just need to give it time and what not. the teams are good and we are TRYING (Failing but trying) to get a good set of maps and gametypes.

[heuer89]

I blame Reach as well. Also a little known game that came out called SC :(

I also do not believe summer has anything to do with it. Back in the day when Lans were being stream from Tot's basement it still seemed more entertaining than watching Reach. I do believe TLN has been slacking for a while now. One of my really good friends is an I.T. guy. and said that the 404 page is not that hard to fix. I believe TLN needs somewhat of some TLC ;)

PvJ didn't even get streamed? cmon mang!

PvJ 4 & 5 were both streamed. Follow the JTV channels to know for sure when streaming happens. I also announced it over my twitter about 47 times lol

[DeeLuv]

No Halo has ever been as popular as SC. SC is a global game, Halo for the most part is US only. Halo is sort of like Football over here. SC is soccer. That said, I'm not a SC fan. Not a hater, l just don't get anything out of watching it. If MLG had not contracted with SC the tourneys wouldn't be any smaller than last year, but obviously would not have the record number of views that came with the Columbus stream. If you look at MLG's discussion forums, the majority of the threads and posts are still about Halo, the SC forum has far less activity than the Halo forum. BUT, SC is GLOBAL. It is bringing viewers and interest from Korea, where SC is a national sport pretty much. I love that, but like I said I will never be into an RTS game such as that. Sorry, just isn't my thing. :/

As far as TLN is concerned, I do get the feeling that it isn't being attended to quite as much. The Justin.tv partnership is exciting, and it was heralded as TLN getting ready to blow up, but in reality it hasn't been implemented right IMO. My concerns...

1. The streaming page doesn't stream. I mean, thats not good. lol. You have to go to a separate Justin.tv page to view the LAN/PvJ streams and that is NOT GOOD. I want to come to the LANNetwork.com, click stream, and boom watch the LANS/PvJ. Make it easy and integrated into the site itself. Also, the cams used to be on all the time. That was cool to see who was there and who was gaming. Sometimes the casual gaming down there by pros would be streamed. People want to watch that, it was a huge asset of the site, and now its gone. Return that.

2. The interviews. They need to return. When you do cool interviews like that, it adds a personal and professional aspect to the site. It is cool to see Mr. P interviewing these pros. When that just stops, it makes it seem like not as much effort is getting put into the site and it isn't being cared about anymore. These need to be fairly consistent at events, and maybe even add some tourney recaps or something with other people who can contribute.


What I mentioned above are all things that brought people to the site, and kept them coming. I don't click on this webpage as much anymore because I know there really isn't any material to see. So, to me, it is no surprise to see the traffic slowing down. Reinstate what I mentioned above, and maybe even add some other interactive features, and you'll see it picking up here again. JMHO. :)

[Jewjitsu]

i think the game will get a lot better after the title update and then when the new maps come out. 343 is planning on taking out some of the annoying things about this game, like fall damage and hopefully bloom, and i think it will feel a lot more like a halo game after that. then in november we'll get some sick map remakes that MLG can stick on the circuit, like beaver creek, hang em high, damnation, and whatever else they're making. so, come november, this game should get a lot better and more enjoyable to play/watch.

[Antidote]

posting more threads can reborn TLN, if alot of people start posting, and not coming and going, isnt gonna make us grow at all. People start posting and using the site more.


The problem is no one wants to. And with good reason, as the rest of the discussion in this thread is about Halo Reach and how it is currently failing in relation to the prior Halo games.

[Panda]

I honestly think its because Halo Reach is a dying game. Some people may hate me for saying this but i think Sc2 and LoL are the next big things in MLG's future.

I agree with this as well. SC2 will soon take over.

[Eclipse]

Gonna have to go a head and agree with this. Just haven't seen the same from Reach as the others.

I'm going to Kill myself for saying this, but it is true......

[Antidote]

I'm going to Kill myself for saying this, but it is true......

Mmmhm. At first I felt bad from going from Halo back into my old SC self. Then i realized how much i missed it and how much it's growing even beyond what it was. Then getting into LoL which like SC2 actually has developers dedicated to esports. Both have surpassed Halo Reach, which isn't anything close to what the past 3 were.

[Waterboy7]

Where did Big Robs' post go??? Not cool :( did it get deleted? even if he's a mod?

[heuer89]

Where did Big Robs' post go??? Not cool :( did it get deleted? even if he's a mod?

Looks like he removed it himself.

[forefront]

I hope it gets back to where it was and more. I would hate to see this site go the way of Towey's other projects -See: gaminglessons.com

I love the guy, but he gives himself too much to do I think.

[americanbash]

The thing about the gaming community is that we are ever changing, growing, and shifting loyalties. As long as there competitive gaming, I am sure there will be a TLN. As competitive gaming circuits such as MLG change and new games come out, classic franchises will be replaced. Halo is dying out at the moment cause everything that was "new" that was added upset much of the fan base rather than adding to it. For all we know Halo 4 could become the most successful and desired competitive game. All we can do as gamers is keep on playing the games we love, enjoy the friends and memorable experience that come along. I can almost guarantee that as long as MLG is around that TLN will be around.

[Giant421]

The thing about the gaming community is that we are ever changing, growing, and shifting loyalties. As long as there competitive gaming, I am sure there will be a TLN. As competitive gaming circuits such as MLG change and new games come out, classic franchises will be replaced. Halo is dying out at the moment cause everything that was "new" that was added upset much of the fan base rather than adding to it. For all we know Halo 4 could become the most successful and desired competitive game. All we can do as gamers is keep on playing the games we love, enjoy the friends and memorable experience that come along. I can almost guarantee that as long as MLG is around that TLN will be around.

This basically sums up what I was going to say. I can say that Reach was hit and miss for everyone. but who knows what H4 will bring us. and SC2 will be around forever so I know that will always be apart of the community and MLG

[Chilley]

if tln was really dying i am sure there would be an article posted on why and what is happening

[theBEAST385]

if you have read the top announcement on the hompage they are in the middle of making 6 streams available from many different players. they are in the middle of the season and Lans coming up as well as an event. Mr P is extremely busy and he works his ass of for this site and provide for his family. Everything will happen in time. BTW u have a lot of room to talk with ur 7 posts...... be more active hahahahaa you're right

[aX goes ham]

the people makin halo4 think reach is an amazing game.... i was so excited

[HEA7]

the people makin halo4 think reach is an amazing game.... i was so excited
link plzzzzz

[aX goes ham]

i cant find it, i was trying to retrace my steps to were i found it, but it was just the head of 343 saying that there wont be a whole ton changed during the tu, and mentioned how much he liked the game, i wish i could give the link, i just cant find it

[Mxgdmn]

I mean there is supposed to be a LAN starting today and yet there is no stream activity or anyone even aware of the start time but possibly the mods. If they do know the start time and the teams attending it should be on the front page along with the stream page updated and ready to go.
Just sayin

[PK Toolboxxx]

I honestly think its because Halo Reach is a dying game. Some people may hate me for saying this but i think Sc2 and LoL are the next big things in MLG's future.

until halo 4 comes out you are right. the fan base for LoL and SC2 are just insanely huge.

[DeeLuv]

What is so bad about Halo Reach? I mean, I see a little bit of a pattern here. Halo 2 comes out, people get upset at it, adapt, and game becomes beloved. Halo 3 comes out, gets ripped to shreds, people adapt, game becomes accepted people move on. Now, I'm more of a noob than most here when it comes to Halo and I will freely admit that, but can't the same thing happen with Reach? I never played Halo 3 on LAN, and I know the experience is different there, but the BR had significant flaws. You actually had to lead your shots, and the spray was random. The DMR has flaws with the bloom and whatnot but neither weapon is perfect.

One thing I'm noticing is that a lot of people think Halo CE is the holy grail of competitive FPS's. CE was a very simple game, the pistol was the primary weapon and there were no AA's or other features added. Is that what people want? Just a simple nuts and bolts game with no extra features? If thats the case, fine, nothing wrong with that - I'm just asking. I think Bungie focused more on the casual gamer than the ultra competitive (MLG) community for this game, and I wish they would have not done that. Of all the original maps in Reach, only Countdown is really an MLG quality map. The rest are unbalanced and lead to camping among other things. Forge is a great way to have the community make their own competitive maps, but the system is hamstrung by the fact that forge world is TOO BIG. The system can't keep up with the frame-rate because not only is the constructed map being rendered, the entire forge world is too. I really wish they would adjust that.

I just wanted to post my thoughts here as I was curious. I realize Reach is flawed, but I still very much enjoy watching the game being played, enjoy playing, and don't quite understand the venom it is getting from some circles. The top pros don't seem to mind it that much. No Halo game has ever been perfect, and I do hope 343 is listening to the hardcore community as they develop Halo 4. I don't know, what do you all think - any chance that H4 might get released on new hardware?

[Antidote]

What is so bad about Halo Reach? I mean, I see a little bit of a pattern here. Halo 2 comes out, people get upset at it, adapt, and game becomes beloved. Halo 3 comes out, gets ripped to shreds, people adapt, game becomes accepted people move on. Now, I'm more of a noob than most here when it comes to Halo and I will freely admit that, but can't the same thing happen with Reach? I never played Halo 3 on LAN, and I know the experience is different there, but the BR had significant flaws. You actually had to lead your shots, and the spray was random. The DMR has flaws with the bloom and whatnot but neither weapon is perfect.

One thing I'm noticing is that a lot of people think Halo CE is the holy grail of competitive FPS's. CE was a very simple game, the pistol was the primary weapon and there were no AA's or other features added. Is that what people want? Just a simple nuts and bolts game with no extra features? If thats the case, fine, nothing wrong with that - I'm just asking. I think Bungie focused more on the casual gamer than the ultra competitive (MLG) community for this game, and I wish they would have not done that. Of all the original maps in Reach, only Countdown is really an MLG quality map. The rest are unbalanced and lead to camping among other things. Forge is a great way to have the community make their own competitive maps, but the system is hamstrung by the fact that forge world is TOO BIG. The system can't keep up with the frame-rate because not only is the constructed map being rendered, the entire forge world is too. I really wish they would adjust that.

I just wanted to post my thoughts here as I was curious. I realize Reach is flawed, but I still very much enjoy watching the game being played, enjoy playing, and don't quite understand the venom it is getting from some circles. The top pros don't seem to mind it that much. No Halo game has ever been perfect, and I do hope 343 is listening to the hardcore community as they develop Halo 4. I don't know, what do you all think - any chance that H4 might get released on new hardware?

I'm not sure about everyone else so I'll only speak from my own opinion here. I had problems going from Halo game to Halo game but I loved them all. Halo Reach simply does not feel like a Halo game to me at all. It feels like ODST or Halo Wars. It's cool and all but it's not like the trilogy. It's a combination of lots of things that make me feel this way. I don't believe it's a bad game at all and there isn't anything I would change really about it. Just it doesn't feel like Halo to me.

[DeeLuv]

I'm not sure about everyone else so I'll only speak from my own opinion here. I had problems going from Halo game to Halo game but I loved them all. Halo Reach simply does not feel like a Halo game to me at all. It feels like ODST or Halo Wars. It's cool and all but it's not like the trilogy. It's a combination of lots of things that make me feel this way. I don't believe it's a bad game at all and there isn't anything I would change really about it. Just it doesn't feel like Halo to me.

How does Reach fell like Halo Wars when one is an FPS and the other is a RTS?

[Antidote]

How does Reach fell like Halo Wars when one is an FPS and the other is a RTS?

In the sense that it's a game that uses the name of Halo, but doesn't feel like a Halo game. If it's beyond comprehension, simply mark out what I said about Halo wars and just use ODST. It gets the same point across.

[n3w_NuMb3rZ]

Agreed. After the Justin.tv partnership they got pretty lazy imo.

idk if its lazy but after the JTV parternship thats when things started to change for me at least. The stream just wasnt the same quality and not i rarely check the site cuz the games arent even streamed on the site anymore so its hard for me to keep track of when games are being played and whose PoV it is etc.

something needs to happen imo, and quickly

[DeeLuv]

In the sense that it's a game that uses the name of Halo, but doesn't feel like a Halo game. If it's beyond comprehension, simply mark out what I said about Halo wars and just use ODST. It gets the same point across.

I meant no disrespect by the question. It simply seemed like an odd comparison to compare Reach to an RTS. When I hear that the game doesn't feel like Halo, I base that statement on gameplay as a FPS, which Wars is not. ODST, I can see that because the ODST soldier doesn't have the same abilities as Master Chief (slower, not able to jump as high).

[DeeLuv]

idk if its lazy but after the JTV parternship thats when things started to change for me at least. The stream just wasnt the same quality and not i rarely check the site cuz the games arent even streamed on the site anymore so its hard for me to keep track of when games are being played and whose PoV it is etc.

something needs to happen imo, and quickly

There is a LAN tonight. I haven't seen any of it. If it was streamed here, I would have. You can't expect everyone to follow Twitter/FB, find the tweet, and copy/paste the addy into the address bar to go to the JTV site to watch the LAN. I try to help by retweeting the tweets and all that, but these streams REALLY need to be on TLN website. Period.

[Antidote]

I meant no disrespect by the question. It simply seemed like an odd comparison to compare Reach to an RTS. When I hear that the game doesn't feel like Halo, I base that statement on gameplay as a FPS, which Wars is not. ODST, I can see that because the ODST soldier doesn't have the same abilities as Master Chief (slower, not able to jump as high).

Then you're simply just not understanding. Reach doesn't feel like it has hardly anything in common enough with the other 3 to call itself a halo game. That's all I was trying to say. I'd explain it more but eh.

[DeeLuv]

Then you're simply just not understanding. Reach doesn't feel like it has hardly anything in common enough with the other 3 to call itself a halo game. That's all I was trying to say. I'd explain it more but eh.

No, go ahead and explain. I really want to know where you're coming from on what makes Halo, Halo. Its why I asked what I did in my original post anyway. I hear that a lot from some people, that Halo Reach doesn't feel like "Halo". I want to know why ya'll feel that way. Is it the AA? DMR? The feel?

[Antidote]

No, go ahead and explain. I really want to know where you're coming from on what makes Halo, Halo. Its why I asked what I did in my original post anyway. I hear that a lot from some people, that Halo Reach doesn't feel like "Halo". I want to know why ya'll feel that way. Is it the AA? DMR? The feel?

The question is what does it have in common with the last 3 Halo FPS games? Other then you shoot at people and some game modes.

Maps, feel, guns, abilities, movement, damage amount, how the shields work, what ranking system, nothing to earn in the game except some armor that after the 3rd rank starts to all look boring, no updates, no real support. All these things are different and not really in a good way

Also Bungie was struggling pretty hard to keep it afloat. We've got about 30 playlist, none of them really any better then the others imo. And what gets me is it took them 3-4 years into the game to let us wear the sought after recon armor in Halo 3. It took like 7 months for them to let us use the blue flames. It's just an attempt to get people into playing the game. A sad one at that.

No it's not a bad game.

In simpler terms since the comparing of the games doesn't get across what I'm trying to say. Then imagine that Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo Reach are all fruit.

Halo CE being an apple
Halo 2 being an orange
Halo 3 being a lemon
And Halo Reach being a tomatoe

.....one of these things is not like the others.

This video can help explain I feel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClGhto1vIg

PS
also for some reason I still can't embed video so if a mod sees this feel free to fix it. Thanks.

[Waterboy7]

I know this might be off topic, but after seeing Anidotes' fruit theory got me thinking about how my brother and I compare the Halo stages being Halo CE,2,3,Reach as to going out or a night out with your boys :)

Halo CE, was like the private party that was just off the hook and didn't want the fun to end. So when 2 am closed down the Halo CE party people started looking for the After Party place to go. Hence Halo 2 comes into the picture.

So everybody around the world started attending this massive phenomenon after hours party, and led to many new friendships and massive orgy's around the online expirience. Halo 2 was the place where everybody met and had the best time of their lives playing customs or match making in general.

Which leaves us with Halo 3. At this stage, Halo 3 was the morning cafe get together where we met up and shared epic stories on what happened the night before. We still had somewhat fun, but lost some friends on the way to the cafe ;) (hence friends list switch over). Some people stuck around for Halo 3 and still managed to have a good time.

Reach on the other hand was the trip home. A place where the fun ends. The night is over, and the morning stories were told and done with. Everybody goes home (hence friends list transition over even less if not all gone :( ). The massive hang over is only a matter of time. Your prepared for it, but dread it's arrival.

I only hope Halo4 will make us want to go back out into the night and see what new adventures a simple FPS gamer could participate in ;)

:cool:Ya! Know! what I mean?!:cool:

[Antidote]

:cool:Ya! Know! what I mean?!:cool:

Yes. That's not at all close to what I meant though.

[DeeLuv]

Translation: He thinks you're not experienced enough to understand. I agree.
And thats why I'm asking. He answered, and I appreciate that! :) I'm not trying to be confrontational here, in fact one of the reasons I like this forum so much is because threads don't turn into flamefests like it does on MLG. In fact the mods really crack down on any troll like behavior and nip it in the bud before it has a chance to really spread. I appreciate that. I'm not as terribly inexperienced as you'd think. I fully understand that there is fall damage now when there wasn't before, that the feel is different with such things as speed being nerfed as well as jumping. Sprint changes things, and the melee system is definitely been changed for the worse IMO. The lack of a true ranking system and all that. That said, I still enjoy playing the game - and I want to learn, continue to get better. I wanted to pick the minds of players who have been in it hardcore for longer than I have to understand what irritates them about the game so much that they refuse to play it anymore and can't stand watching even the MLG pros play anymore. I care about Halo, the competitive community, TLN, and in the end the future of Halo in MLG. I hope the next update of Reach can adjust the game to make it better from the competitive community standpoint, and I hope 343 can come out with a killer version of the game with Halo 4 that restores some of the luster that some of the competitive community feels the Halo franchise has lost.

[Antidote]

And thats why I'm asking. He answered, and I appreciate that! :) I'm not trying to be confrontational here, in fact one of the reasons I like this forum so much is because threads don't turn into flamefests like it does on MLG. In fact the mods really crack down on any troll like behavior and nip it in the bud before it has a chance to really spread. I appreciate that. I'm not as terribly inexperienced as you'd think. I fully understand that there is fall damage now when there wasn't before, that the feel is different with such things as speed being nerfed as well as jumping. Sprint changes things, and the melee system is definitely been changed for the worse IMO. The lack of a true ranking system and all that. That said, I still enjoy playing the game - and I want to learn, continue to get better. I wanted to pick the minds of players who have been in it hardcore for longer than I have to understand what irritates them about the game so much that they refuse to play it anymore and can't stand watching even the MLG pros play anymore. I care about Halo, the competitive community, TLN, and in the end the future of Halo in MLG. I hope the next update of Reach can adjust the game to make it better from the competitive community standpoint, and I hope 343 can come out with a killer version of the game with Halo 4 that restores some of the luster that some of the competitive community feels the Halo franchise has lost.

It's not really a game I feel is very competitive anymore. I feel that as a game, Halo Reach requires so so so much tweaking that MLG is struggling to keep it afloat as a competitive title. Hints all the version changes every 2 weeks.

Even from just a non competitive stand point the game lacks. When I play I can't even bring myself to care anymore if my whole team drops out. Even if you lose, it's not like you drop a rank, it's not like you lose anything for quitting out. If you lose the only thing it changes is you don't earn your extra 200 credits....darn.

I'm just saying, if the people who turned Halo into the competitive game it is known for today can't seem to hardly keep it as a competitive title. Then it simply has things wrong with it that no amount of tampering can fix.

[DeeLuv]

Good to see TLN stream up! :) Wish they could get the secondary cams up now but it is great to at least see the game stream going! Once they get the other cams going and add the chat back the stream page will be good as ever. Like what appears to be an improved video quality as well.

[usernameranq]

I was wondering WTF is going on with TLN I mean it's not the same. Plus when I click on New post it's says 404 not founded ect...
This was happening for about 2 mouth. They still didn't fixed it. You guys are getting lazy.

[heuer89]

Good to see TLN stream up! :) Wish they could get the secondary cams up now but it is great to at least see the game stream going! Once they get the other cams going and add the chat back the stream page will be good as ever. Like what appears to be an improved video quality as well.

You're welcome for getting the streams up on here :) Mr P was gracious enough to show me how to do almost everything as well as give me access. The issue with the "basement cams" is because we are going through JTV, we no longer have the server they used to stream from. Mr P is in contact with JTV about getting the IP cams (basement cams) through JTV without too much hassle, just something that requires both of them to have some free time to set everything up. I believe this is the same reason the chat function on the site no longer functions. We will be using the JTV chat rooms and based on which POV you are watching, it will change to that chat room. I will be doing everything I can remotely to assist Mr P as I have class Tuesday / Friday (I haven't slept since yesterday -- 300 mile drive back to school to make it for my classes) but will hopefully be able to be 'on site' again Sunday/Monday for the 5 Team LAN.


I was wondering WTF is going on with TLN I mean it's not the same. Plus when I click on New post it's says 404 not founded ect...
This was happening for about 2 mouth. They still didn't fixed it. You guys are getting lazy.

You have no idea what goes into this site. I knew it took a lot of work but even I had my eyes opened the past two days. I busted my ass every second I was awake to make sure things were working at least somewhat stream-wise as well as making sure the house was (relatively) clean to take some pressure off Mr P's busy schedule. We had some unexplainable hardware issues with two of the streaming boxes that will not be able to be looked at in depth until someone can take a day (at least) and diagnose it piece by piece. Setting up 16 Xbox 360s for streaming is much, much harder than you imagine it to be. As for the 404 issue, talking with Mr P and dArF over the last couple days, this isn't even something we have access to do. The site developer is the one that needs to take care of it but that is a whole other discussion for another time...

[Mxgdmn]

lol they stop doing free streams out of no where right before this LAN..
TLN is Dead,
RIP Revenue.

[isgnikorrupt]

Yeh i disagree with that move^^, it's fine charging for the stream but to take out the free stream on the day of the Lan is a big douche move

[pRoTo923]

If it was'nt dying before, it is now that they bent us over and gave it to us. Best LAN yet this season and they surprise us by making us buy a stream pass. Way to go TLN, you guys screwed yourselves

[chewfeese]

Who cares about the basement cams? No one. All we want is the gameplay and chat. This is just a huge copout to get more money.

[Spion]

B,bu,bu,b, but it's all for the fans!!!!!!

[Antidote]

I wouldn't mind paying if it wasn't for the price. $10 for a stream I'll barely watch just isn't worth it to me. It might be for some but with all the issues the stream has even if I was in the mood to watch Halo gameplay I'd go somewhere free and with less issues then paying $10.

I mean imagine if MLG charged $10 for everyone to watch the event online. There would still be a lot of people pissed about it. So if MLG isn't able to pull off a charge for just viewing then I doubt any other Halo fansite should.

It's kinda the same with PvJ. It's a cool idea and yeah you should pay for it, but it's entirely too much money. Yeah it's good practice with pro players and you learn a lot. Let's be serious though, half of those people that attend PvJ will ever go to a MLG event and compete. Then only about 2 of those guys will make it past the first 2 rounds.

I'm just gonna go back to watching all my countless free streamed SC2 stuff.

[D Moralize]

The "shadiness" is probably my fault guys, I make the graphics and Mr. p asked me for a graphic for this one a while ago, I was busy with some stuff and took my time on it then when i emailed it to him he asked if I could change the wording, I was at my family's when he called so I forgot to write it down or just fix it then and didn't remember until I checked me voice mail when I woke up today.

[Suffer]

I know this might be off topic, but after seeing Anidotes' fruit theory got me thinking about how my brother and I compare the Halo stages being Halo CE,2,3,Reach as to going out or a night out with your boys :)

Halo CE, was like the private party that was just off the hook and didn't want the fun to end. So when 2 am closed down the Halo CE party people started looking for the After Party place to go. Hence Halo 2 comes into the picture.

So everybody around the world started attending this massive phenomenon after hours party, and led to many new friendships and massive orgy's around the online expirience. Halo 2 was the place where everybody met and had the best time of their lives playing customs or match making in general.

Which leaves us with Halo 3. At this stage, Halo 3 was the morning cafe get together where we met up and shared epic stories on what happened the night before. We still had somewhat fun, but lost some friends on the way to the cafe ;) (hence friends list switch over). Some people stuck around for Halo 3 and still managed to have a good time.

Reach on the other hand was the trip home. A place where the fun ends. The night is over, and the morning stories were told and done with. Everybody goes home (hence friends list transition over even less if not all gone :( ). The massive hang over is only a matter of time. Your prepared for it, but dread it's arrival.

I only hope Halo4 will make us want to go back out into the night and see what new adventures a simple FPS gamer could participate in ;)

:cool:Ya! Know! what I mean?!:cool:

This was beautiful, seriously.

And I really wish I didn't have to pay for this 6 team LAN. :/