Who will take down Instinct?

[cF WiNGER]

What To4 do you think could take down Instinct and stop them from becoming a dynasty? Please give a reason why also, not just list your favorite Pros.

Snipedown-Heinz-Assault-4th (torn between Enable, Snake Bite and Strongside)


Snipedown-I believe will mesh into a top 3 sniper in the league and has already shown his sniper can change a game
Heinz-IMO can do it all
Assault-plays a great support/objective role. Assault/Heinz can challenge the Ogre/LBX duo
Enable-only thing keeping me from him is wanting to have Snipedown be the main sniper
Snake Bite-has shown a lot in his first few events. plays very well on main stage
Strongside-shows he still has it and seems to be a great leader



BTW I will always have hope for the REAL '08 Str8 roster of T2, Elamite, Snipedown and Legit.

[MidKnight]

dynaquo couldve taken them out =[

[AZUL]

Who cares -________________________O

[Toomuchmooin]

Someone will take down Instinct? Blasphemy

[Cheeky]

It will happen, maybe not this year, but They will be dethroned once other top teams figure out the game.....Ik I've been working on it.

[Clipzyy]

Who cares -________________________O

*sigh*, There's always one..

[Antidote]

Someone needs to ask Ghandi how he would've done it back when he was playing...lulz

[nikdaquick1219]

Heinz, Snipedown, Tizoxic, and Cloud.


Their nickname is the Instinct killers ;)

[Eclipse]

Turning Point.

[Synystars]

Dynasty with Cloud added has the potential, sQ if really practiced can do it.
For a fantasy line-up?

Snip3down-Ninja-Assault-Tsquared(if he's on fire)

[MidKnight]

its gonna be sQ... or str8, if they work hard

[vRaPiiDZzo]

the thing is if someone does take down instinct no one will be able to take them down... they will just be dominating even more than instinct will do. i can just see instinct winning event after event

[Harrison.Greenhalgh]

Instinct will not lose an event this year. They will keep winning until they get cocky and don't practice enough.

[Eclipse]

its gonna be sQ... or str8, if they work hard

Key words are bolded

[MidKnight]

Key words are bolded

sadly its a fact... i think they will get it done

[gwhit518]

At this point Im not sure any mix of players can take them down, I mean you have arguably the two best slayers in the game in Pistola and Roy, the greatest of all time who seems to be perfectly at hoe in Reach and last but not least Lunchbox who is one of the best objective minded players in Halo period. Combine that with Lunchbox and Roy/ Pistola and Ogre 2 have some of the best communication together as well as with the other pair.

Now Im not a Instinct fan and personally they are ruining MLG Halo from my perspective. I love eSports for the pure excitement it provides but an Instinct series provides the same result everytime which isnt really worth watching to me. I always love the underdog but its hard to root for the underdog when they are just gunna get brutally slaughtered by the vastly superior team. Im hoping that one team will really grind before Raleigh and maybe catch Instinct off guard but I think we wont see them upset all year which in my opinion makes for a bad year of Halo.

I was so happy at the perspective of DynaQuo as I thought they would have a real chance but at this point I dont see any of the Raleigh teams dethroning the God Squad.

[itwuzmagik]

turning point and bth honestly are the only ones i can see having any chance at all depends on the dedication they put in come these next few weeks.

[nikdaquick1219]

turning point and bth honestly are the only ones i can see having any chance at all depends on the dedication they put in come these next few weeks.

Really? Come on be serious for a minute.

[Waterboy7]

Snip3down, Ninja, Enable, and Lethul................ nuff said

[itwuzmagik]

Really? Come on be serious for a minute.

i am completely serious Walshy doesn't suck and when bman is playing at his peak he is as good as any other player out there given the right combo and some good practice this team could pull off an upset. Ninja is really good at this game and so is mikwen i really think they could do a lot of damage.

[PK Toolboxxx]

Someone needs to ask Ghandi how he would've done it back when he was playing...lulz
i lol'd.

also maybe bth other than that idk.

[MichaelMongrel]

SQ or Str8 with quality practice.

[chris_cr33p]

nobody atm can beat them

[Gazro]

I think BTH and SQ have a really high chance to. But I don't think either could take a full series though. Maybe a game or 2.

[Eamonn]

Instinct won't lose til next season when Reach might have no bloom on the circuit (TU thingy is pretty much implying they are getting rid of bloom in certain playlists, MLG would be able to save gametypes from those playlists and edit them to their own settings.. of course they could just not do that and keep bloom, but the community would probably be mad :p)

[HavkinKnight]

Str8 Rippin if they pick up snipedown ;)

[SmartzOvahShotz]

You wish Havkin lol

[cF WiNGER]

Str8 Rippin if they pick up snipedown ;)

THIS!!! Haha I am waiting for it to happen!!!!

[iUndrground]

@AZUL
Why do you keep on saying "who cares" when people want to see Instinct lose? If they win this year, I don't care, because the team has one of the oldest team names in MLG and still did not win a championship. I find that pretty sad.
You might as well not post at all.
As you can see, this thread is 3 pages long, so I'm pretty sure that everyone cares. :P

[iUndrground]

i am completely serious Walshy doesn't suck and when bman is playing at his peak he is as good as any other player out there given the right combo and some good practice this team could pull off an upset. Ninja is really good at this game and so is mikwen i really think they could do a lot of damage.

They need to drop best man, then they will get top 4 next event. They get just as much practice as Instinct, but it is a newer team. So they just need to get used to each other's playstyles.
I have seen them play on Ninja's stream. Sometimes they barely win against randoms, but Turning Point is a top 8 team. Meaning that they need to know what to do during situations in a game, then they will see more sucess.

For Example: I don't understand why, but Ninja can't get headshots as much in a 4v4 with a sniper. He needs to use his individual skill like he does in 1v1s to dominate with power weapons. I have seen him 1v1 pros like strongside, and he never misses a shot.
He also gets easily frustrated.
If each player on Turning Point work on each other's problems like I just listed for Ninja, they can beat Instinct.

I cannot rely on Str8 Rippin, Dynasty, SQ, or other teams except for Turning Point for many reasons. Tsquared and Elam are not good at Reach. Dynasty is good, but Snipedown and Cloud cannot main slay against Royola. SQ needs to have Flamesword and Ace to step up their game.

Turning Point is the only team I see that can beat Insinct. #1 Halo 2 player and #1 1v1 player on a team will beat Instinct eventually. Walshy's drive to game is back, so expect him to do big things. They just need to make a few adjustments.

[cF WiNGER]

I cannot rely on Str8 Rippin, Dynasty, SQ, or other teams except for Turning Point for many reasons. Tsquared and Elam are not good at Reach. Dynasty is good, but Snipedown and Cloud cannot main slay against Royola. SQ needs to have Flamesword and Ace to step up their game.

We've seen T2 play well, he just needs to get consistent. As for Elamite, he was probably the best player on Str8 at Anaheim. Played well with Warriors. Not sure why you don't see him as being good at Reach, not to mention he doesn't practice as much as others. So if he puts the time in I'm sure he could be right where he was in Halo 3

[Makin]

Heinz is awful

[SaLoT]

They need to drop best man, then they will get top 4 next event. They get just as much practice as Instinct, but it is a newer team. So they just need to get used to each other's playstyles.
I have seen them play on Ninja's stream. Sometimes they barely win against randoms, but Turning Point is a top 8 team. Meaning that they need to know what to do during situations in a game, then they will see more sucess.

For Example: I don't understand why, but Ninja can't get headshots as much in a 4v4 with a sniper. He needs to use his individual skill like he does in 1v1s to dominate with power weapons. I have seen him 1v1 pros like strongside, and he never misses a shot.
He also gets easily frustrated.
If each player on Turning Point work on each other's problems like I just listed for Ninja, they can beat Instinct.

I cannot rely on Str8 Rippin, Dynasty, SQ, or other teams except for Turning Point for many reasons. Tsquared and Elam are not good at Reach. Dynasty is good, but Snipedown and Cloud cannot main slay against Royola. SQ needs to have Flamesword and Ace to step up their game.

Turning Point is the only team I see that can beat Insinct. #1 Halo 2 player and #1 1v1 player on a team will beat Instinct eventually. Walshy's drive to game is back, so expect him to do big things. They just need to make a few adjustments.


Sorry, but your dumb... TP can not touch Instinct... And if anyone has a chance it is BTH/SQ/Dynasty... These are the only three that have a shot....

[SaLoT]

Heinz is awful
Heinz is not awful and to say that is straight dumb.. When you get on a top seeded team then come back and talk crap...

[cF WiNGER]

Heinz is a very good player. Not to mention it was his clutch play that helped Dynasty be the only team to take a game from Instinct so far in 2 events.

[iUndrground]

We've seen T2 play well, he just needs to get consistent. As for Elamite, he was probably the best player on Str8 at Anaheim. Played well with Warriors. Not sure why you don't see him as being good at Reach, not to mention he doesn't practice as much as others. So if he puts the time in I'm sure he could be right where he was in Halo 3

But this is not H3, and you said IF.

[iUndrground]

Sorry, but your dumb... TP can not touch Instinct... And if anyone has a chance it is BTH/SQ/Dynasty... These are the only three that have a shot....

I'm dumb? A new open bracket team got top 8. Ninja plays more than anyone on Instinct. Walshy has his drive to game back and he is already getting better than most pros AND hes smarter than 90% of the pros. And I said they need to make a few adjustments to the team before they can beat Instinct. I know my last post was long, but please read all of it before you call me out. I also said SQ and Dynasty can't do much because of sponsors. Enable and Assault cannot join Dynasty because they don't want SQ sponsorless. That means they are stuck with Flamesword and Ace. Dynasty cannot beat Instinct because their main slayers are not even close to being as good as Royola. You are calling me dumb when you are twice my age and rage removes everyone (including your teammate and local Get Stuk) because you can't handle connection. Every 5 seconds of a game you say "Godammit" and complain. It's funny because you pull host pretty often. I know how to back up what I'm saying buddy. If anyone is dumb, it is you.

And I didn't say anything about BtH, but I will say it now. BtH apparently broke up. Get at me.

[Forbidd3n]

DynaQuo would have had the best shot.

[HavkinKnight]

I DO WISH! lol it would be awesome. BUT i think Justin Wong, Pk, Mike Ross, and WolfKrone can win ;)

[cF WiNGER]

But this is not H3, and you said IF.

I used Halo 3 to explain the level of skill. I have seen T2 go off in Reach and Elamite has looked pretty good for not putting in the practice time everyone else is.

[slippyal2]

The only ones who can beat instinct, is instinct themselves. If they overlook a team, or slack off, then a team will take them out. No team will have more talent, better communication, or will have more experience.

[cF WiNGER]

The only ones who can beat instinct, is instinct themselves. If they overlook a team, or slack off, then a team will take them out. No team will have more talent, better communication, or will have more experience.

You could argue no team will be able to have more talent, but I wouldn't go to say no team can pass them in communication. Teams can very easily match the Instinct communication. As for the experience, there are many players who have the same amount of just about the same amount of exp as those on Instinct. T2, Neighbor, Legit, Elamite, Victory X, FiS, Walshy, , Ghostayame, Strongside, Naded and possibly more have been playing since Halo 2. Ogre 2 is the only one you can say has more experience and he isn't the best on Instinct. A team will take them down, those who insist they will never lose is nonsense lol. Even Final Boss was taken down in 2006.

[pontski]

enable assault snip3down heinz.
they can do a lot with this. Yes snip3down and enable both would have to share time, but when playing instinct its not who gets the weapon its who can get the weapon and use it to slow instinct down the fastest. For instance if snip3down is not in position to grab the snipe enable will most likely will be. To beat instinct you have to have well rounded players just as all of instinct is. Everyone on instinct can snipe support slay and play the objective at any moment of a match.

[gazurk]

Turning Point.

TP doesn't really stand a chance unless everyone is on fire. And even then, I still don't see them even taking a game. I think it will either be BtH or Dynasty. That is just from the current teams of 4.

[Imp3nded]

Lol, I don't think one of you responded to the thread the way he wanted people to respond (maybe one of you), so allow me. ^^

Snipedown - A monster slayer in this game with crazy amounts of individual skill who I would put in my top 3 snipers. A team that wants to beat Instinct needs to have that one player who can go off in terms of slaying and winning individual battles constantly.

Heinz - One of the top-tier well-rounded players. Objective, support, individual skill, mental game. He has it all and can literally catch fire in any role.

RyaNoob - Probably the most aggressive support/objective player on the circuit. Not only this, but people don't understand the slaying power Ryan has. In H3, that's what he did, he slayed. He put up huge stats. He purposely changed his role in Reach, but he can still do some nasty stuff.

aPG - An absolute must for a team to beat Instinct... an aggressive slaying-tanking-machine that acts as bait for Snipedown. The kind of player that is constantly in the other team's face, winning individual battles, all while making other players half-shield and one-shot for his teammates to clean up. This is the guy who would do the most damage on the other team. aPG is the good kind of bait for his teammates. The kind of bait that will still put up huge numbers and go positive at the end of the game.

With two incredible slayers (a very aggressive one), one of the best overall players in the game, and an unpredictable aggressive player in RyaNoob, I feel as if this team would have one of the best shots at taking down Instinct. You wouldn't have to worry about who gets the sniper, because aPG is the kind of slaying beast that doesn't need it.

You may wonder why I don't have players like Enable or Strongside on here. Well, I feel as if you won't beat Instinct with passive players on your team, and that's exactly what Enable and Strongside are, they're very passive. Granted, they are good at this game, but I just wouldn't put them on a team to beat Instinct.

The one problem with this team I could see happening is the chemistry issue, but if they could get over that hump, it could be pretty dirty. I'm pretty sure if there were a team like this, Snipedown would have huge numbers (1.40 K/D kind of stats).

I still don't think they'd beat Instinct though. ;) Nighty night.

[vRaPiiDZzo]

I'm dumb? A new open bracket team got top 8. Ninja plays more than anyone on Instinct. Walshy has his drive to game back and he is already getting better than most pros AND hes smarter than 90% of the pros. And I said they need to make a few adjustments to the team before they can beat Instinct. I know my last post was long, but please read all of it before you call me out. I also said SQ and Dynasty can't do much because of sponsors. Enable and Assault cannot join Dynasty because they don't want SQ sponsorless. That means they are stuck with Flamesword and Ace. Dynasty cannot beat Instinct because their main slayers are not even close to being as good as Royola. You are calling me dumb when you are twice my age and rage removes everyone (including your teammate and local Get Stuk) because you can't handle connection. Every 5 seconds of a game you say "Godammit" and complain. It's funny because you pull host pretty often. I know how to back up what I'm saying buddy. If anyone is dumb, it is you.

And I didn't say anything about BtH, but I will say it now. BtH apparently broke up. Get at me.

If TP can challenge instinct how come they placed 7th and lost to both SQ and Warriors 3-0. Im sorry but i dont think they could give them a challenge it would just be a quick 3-0 if they played

[MidKnight]

the only squad that will take down instinct is instinct. -__- this game sucks

[iUndrground]

Lol, I don't think one of you responded to the thread the way he wanted people to respond (maybe one of you), so allow me. ^^

Snipedown - A monster slayer in this game with crazy amounts of individual skill who I would put in my top 3 snipers. A team that wants to beat Instinct needs to have that one player who can go off in terms of slaying and winning individual battles constantly.

Heinz - One of the top-tier well-rounded players. Objective, support, individual skill, mental game. He has it all and can literally catch fire in any role.

RyaNoob - Probably the most aggressive support/objective player on the circuit. Not only this, but people don't understand the slaying power Ryan has. In H3, that's what he did, he slayed. He put up huge stats. He purposely changed his role in Reach, but he can still do some nasty stuff.

aPG - An absolute must for a team to beat Instinct... an aggressive slaying-tanking-machine that acts as bait for Snipedown. The kind of player that is constantly in the other team's face, winning individual battles, all while making other players half-shield and one-shot for his teammates to clean up. This is the guy who would do the most damage on the other team. aPG is the good kind of bait for his teammates. The kind of bait that will still put up huge numbers and go positive at the end of the game.

With two incredible slayers (a very aggressive one), one of the best overall players in the game, and an unpredictable aggressive player in RyaNoob, I feel as if this team would have one of the best shots at taking down Instinct. You wouldn't have to worry about who gets the sniper, because aPG is the kind of slaying beast that doesn't need it.

You may wonder why I don't have players like Enable or Strongside on here. Well, I feel as if you won't beat Instinct with passive players on your team, and that's exactly what Enable and Strongside are, they're very passive. Granted, they are good at this game, but I just wouldn't put them on a team to beat Instinct.

The one problem with this team I could see happening is the chemistry issue, but if they could get over that hump, it could be pretty dirty. I'm pretty sure if there were a team like this, Snipedown would have huge numbers (1.40 K/D kind of stats).

I still don't think they'd beat Instinct though. ;) Nighty night.

That would be a pretty good team though.

[iUndrground]

If TP can challenge instinct how come they placed 7th and lost to both SQ and Warriors 3-0. Im sorry but i dont think they could give them a challenge it would just be a quick 3-0 if they played

Can you read between the lines? Or the lines at all?
How many teams do you see place top 8 from the open bracket?
I said that they will have to make adjustments and they will also become better overtime. Im not talking about the next event, but the event after I will expect them to make top 4.
You should see my post before the one you quoted.
If warriors, dynasty, str8, and SQ cannot beat Instinct, it will be TP. They are willing to work harder than anyone else.
They have a legend on their team along with the best 1v1 player who also has a sick sniper. They are playing more than Instinct currently.

[Jewjitsu]

if str8 plays as a team every day for like 12 hours a day, i think they could get to instinct's level. but that probably won't happen. I think it's a little ridiculous when a team is so dominant that people wonder whether or not they will lose a game vs a top team, rather than a series/tournament. hopefully some other team can get on their level and compete.

[cF WiNGER]

Can you read between the lines? Or the lines at all?
How many teams do you see place top 8 from the open bracket?
I said that they will have to make adjustments and they will also become better overtime. Im not talking about the next event, but the event after I will expect them to make top 4.
You should see my post before the one you quoted.
If warriors, dynasty, str8, and SQ cannot beat Instinct, it will be TP. They are willing to work harder than anyone else.
They have a legend on their team along with the best 1v1 player who also has a sick sniper. They are playing more than Instinct currently.

I get what you're saying about it being an Open Bracket team, but lets not forget these are vets also. Ninja is considered by a lot as the best in the game, Walshy is...well Walshy lol, Best Man isn't an unknown and neither is Mikwen. These aren't AM players who made it out and placed top 8. These are former Halo pros who for 3/4 of them have excelled in past Halo games also. I think saying they can beat Instinct because they broke out of Open Bracket is a bit misleading.

[iUndrground]

if str8 plays as a team every day for like 12 hours a day, i think they could get to instinct's level. but that probably won't happen. I think it's a little ridiculous when a team is so dominant that people wonder whether or not they will lose a game vs a top team, rather than a series/tournament. hopefully some other team can get on their level and compete.

Any team can beat Instinct if they practice that much.

[cF WiNGER]

@Imp3nded...thanks for posting in the format I requested LOL. I really wanted to see why people chose who they did and you are the only one who did it!! haha

[theBEAST385]

Str8 Rippin because T2 gets the most ladies out of any pro, then comes totz

[PlasTlC]

the real godsquad could beat them:

Ghost, soldier187, SK and ToTz...

[Waterboy7]

the real godsquad could beat them:

Ghost, soldier187, SK and ToTz...

hmmmmmm.....


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f122/Aceshigh22/Not_Sure_If_Serious.jpg

[iUndrground]

I get what you're saying about it being an Open Bracket team, but lets not forget these are vets also. Ninja is considered by a lot as the best in the game, Walshy is...well Walshy lol, Best Man isn't an unknown and neither is Mikwen. These aren't AM players who made it out and placed top 8. These are former Halo pros who for 3/4 of them have excelled in past Halo games also. I think saying they can beat Instinct because they broke out of Open Bracket is a bit misleading.

Well I have been saying that best man and Mikwen should be dropped a lot lately. So far, best man left and they picked up Adrenaline. I don't find it misleading that a newer team that made top 8 can beat Instinct. If the whole team plays as much as Ninja plays, then they will beat Instinct.

[AZUL]

I wouldn't say "If the whole team plays as much as Ninja plays, then they will beat Instinct." even with how much Ninjas plays hes still not as good as a lot of pro players who play 1/4 as much as he does over practicing does not = skill.

[FxreFly]

i want to see Snip3down, Enable, Assault, and RyaNoob

[iUndrground]

I wouldn't say "If the whole team plays as much as Ninja plays, then they will beat Instinct." even with how much Ninjas plays hes still not as good as a lot of pro players who play 1/4 as much as he does over practicing does not = skill.

Really? Tell me who is better than him? There is only a few that are better than him, not a lot.
Any pro that has 1v1 him (even on LAN) has lost by an average of 10 kills. 1v1s don't prove much, but it shows how good he is with a sniper and how smart he plays.
can you list 10 pros that are better than Ninja not including the people on Instinct? I don't think so buddy.
here is a clip that you guys should watch and enjoy(it was on LAN): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IMiAkk07tY (I like strongside, so I'm not trying to bash him)
Please think before you say something.

[AZUL]

Sniping in 1v1s is not the same as sniping in 4v4s ill try and list 10 players who are overall better than Ninja in 4v4s not in any order StrongSide, APG, Ryanoob, Enable, Assault, Heinz, Cloud, Formal, Snip3Down and SnakeBit3 + everyone on Instinct thats 14.

[iUndrground]

Nice job listing random pros. Pro #1 got 15-1 after trash talking ninja. Pro #2 keeps on switching teams and he is not aa much of a team player as Ninja. Pro #5,6,7 are not even close to being as good as ninja. Some of them are not even main slayers, same for #3. Same for ogre 2 and LbX from instinct, they are also not slayers. pro #8 got 15-3 by ninja. pro #9 does not have as much as a good snipe compared to ninja, but his is still effective at using it. #10 and #4 ill let it slide, along with roy and ola ;)

1v1s are not the same as 4v4s, but if you ALWAYS have a sick snipe in 1v1s, it may mean you can have a just as good snipe in 4v4s :P Same goes for map movement.

here is ninja not even trying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBK9Ouzbwic&NR=1

Its funny how you fail at trolling and says "who cares?" for every other post.

I would appreciate it if you would read this carefully:
A team winning against ninja's team does NOT mean they are better than him, it just means they are better than his team. Its a good thing best man left, because he was the worst player on his team. Thats why people like you do not understand, especially since you can't back up your opinions with facts. Its like saying that Ace is better than Roy when Dallas was over, but he is not. How about you look at gameplay and not placings? Speaking of placings, do not forget that Ninja got top 8 when it was unexpected.

Ripped. Nuff Said.

[AZUL]

You're really getting bent out of shape on this one aren't you buddy? A. Winning 1v1s means nothing obviously or Ninja would be where Roy is right now so him beating some of the players i listed 1-15 means well nothing. B. In my personal opinion i would take any of those players on that list over Ninja im not saying Ninja isn't a great player but hes not in my top 10. C. i have always thought Roy is the best player in the game you think you know me but you don't. And D. i predicted TP in the top 8 Beach. Your move sir.

Oh and "Ripped" :D

[AZUL]

This started with my opinion when i said i didn't think if all of TP played as much as Ninja they would be able to take Instinct down hes the one who choose to take my opinion so seriously Im not trying to post "Facts" to prove my points its just my opinion.
Now because i can.

You just got "Ripped" cheers. Don't take that seriously seriously don't ._.

[SmartzOvahShotz]

Just to jump in... I agree with Azul about ninja. I mentioned it last thread. Not saying he isn't good in 1vs1, lans, or online. But tourney time is all that ever matters. And in tourney time i don't see this Unreal ability hype that has been around ninja since reach started.

I don't know his stats this last tourney. And i'm not saying hes not good. But the few, and i do emphasize few, times i've seen him play i have not been impressed. I'd pick a dozen players for my teammates before him.

But thats just what i've briefly seen in tourney gameplay. Not saying anything beyond personal opinion.

[Briimstone]

Sorry to interrupt any feuds going on, but I just want to put my two cents in on this whole TP issue.

Firstly, I want you to know that I LOVE Turning Point, and they were the team I was cheering for in Anaheim. BUT, I don't think they are capable of taking out Instinct. They have solid communication, but it cannot compare to Instinct's near perfect chatter. Also, consistency is a HUGE issue with them. Sometimes they can steak SQ, and sometimes they barely win playlist matches. Walshy for some reason does not play well online, but then ROCKS at events, so that may have something to do with it. But besides Walshy, Mikwin does not play the role of the slayer that I think Ninja was looking for when he first ran into him.

I love TP, and even though they overcame enormous odds to get 7th last event, and show great potential, I don't think they have the caliber to beat a team that has lost 1 game in the last events.

Assuming, of course, Instinct continues to progress in the game at the pace they are at.

[iUndrground]

I'm sorry, but in no way did you "RIP" anyone. 3/4 of those statements are personal opinion, not facts.
I'm not picking sides, but you haven't really backed up your argument that well.

Exactly what Gym said. Back up your stuff, then I will actually consider it as a counter arguement.

Why do you even look at this post still?
look at the third post: http://thelannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?4397-Who-will-take-down-Instinct

then look at what i posted (#29) http://thelannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?4397-Who-will-take-down-Instinct/page3


Just to jump in... I agree with Azul about ninja. I mentioned it last thread. Not saying he isn't good in 1vs1, lans, or online. But tourney time is all that ever matters. And in tourney time i don't see this Unreal ability hype that has been around ninja since reach started.

I don't know his stats this last tourney. And i'm not saying hes not good. But the few, and i do emphasize few, times i've seen him play i have not been impressed. I'd pick a dozen players for my teammates before him.

But thats just what i've briefly seen in tourney gameplay. Not saying anything beyond personal opinion.

I said about 10 posts ago that they need to adjust and play better in tourneys, but Azul can't read.

here is the proof: http://thelannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?4397-Who-will-take-down-Instinct/page3 post #30

They have potential, but I didn't say they can beat Instinct in the next event. They are just not ready, but Orlando or Providence might be the event where they can beat them. Same for Dynasty. Both teams just got new teammates, and the new teammates are better than the ones who got dropped or left, but they need to get used to each other's gameplay styles.

The reason why I think TP is the team to beat Instinct is because they want this more than most teams in my opinion. (my opinion) Look at Walshy, he got his team top 8 when he had the drive to game again. Then there is Ninja, he plays and practices more than any other pro. If you go on Twitch.tv right now, I'm 80% sure he would be on it right now. Adrenaline placed #2 with his team at Dallas, he is a really good support player if you give him a chance. As for MikWen, he is a average to good slayer, but he needs more practice to become better. Although, I'm not saying that the rest of TP should not practice. (I just backed up my opinion, take notes Azul)

[AZUL]

"I said about 10 posts ago that they need to adjust and play better in tourneys, but Azul can't read"
Oh no i didn't read every post on this thread i guess that means i can't read i have to take this more seriously must read every post O_O

So you want me to back up that that i think those 14 players i listed are better than Ninja fine they have all placed better than him over this whole season. Your move sir.

[SmartzOvahShotz]

I so know what the next "move" in this one is going to be...

[Antidote]

I so know what the next "move" in this one is going to be...

is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

Also I dare you to listen to this entire thing and not be put in a good mood.

[SmartzOvahShotz]

Lol nerd

[Brwn]

is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z66wVo7uNw

Also I dare you to listen to this entire thing and not be put in a good mood.
I failed your challenge within the first three seconds :)

Underground: as for Ninja, yes he's good at 1v1s (practically the Neighbor of H3 in 1v1s) and flashy, but 1v1 consistency with the sniper is different than in 4s, because your not focusing on 1 enemy now, your having to worry about positioning against 4 enemies and team shot can take you down fast. Also, positioning is WAY different in 1v1s compared to 4s because of playing against a team. In 1v1s you just have to focus on being unpredictable and sneaky (this can help), but it's different when you have to position yourself in accordance with 3 teammates in different setups against 4 enemies.


EDIT>>Also, back to the thread topic, I dont think anyone can take down Instinct by Raleigh, especially with the roster issue with SQ stopping them from joining with Dynasty. I do think that Walshy and Ninja can be a challenge if they were to team up with a different pair suitable. Whatever the case, the team that takes down Instinct will have to have unbroken communication and be aggressive with genius strats and plays; only aggressiveness will halt Instinct (passiveness will only give them control) and they have to do it with smarts.

[iUndrground]

Nice job listing random pros. Pro #1 got 15-1 after trash talking ninja. Pro #2 keeps on switching teams and he is not aa much of a team player as Ninja. Pro #5,6,7 are not even close to being as good as ninja. Some of them are not even main slayers, same for #3. Same for ogre 2 and LbX from instinct, they are also not slayers. pro #8 got 15-3 by ninja. pro #9 does not have as much as a good snipe compared to ninja, but his is still effective at using it. #10 and #4 ill let it slide, along with roy and ola ;)

1v1s are not the same as 4v4s, but if you ALWAYS have a sick snipe in 1v1s, it may mean you can have a just as good snipe in 4v4s :P Same goes for map movement.

here is ninja not even trying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBK9Ouzbwic&NR=1

Its funny how you fail at trolling and says "who cares?" for every other post.

I would appreciate it if you would read this carefully:
A team winning against ninja's team does NOT mean they are better than him, it just means the team better is than his team at teamwork. Its a good thing best man left, because he was the worst player on his team. Thats why people like you do not understand, especially since you can't back up your opinions with facts. Its like saying that Ace is better than Roy when Dallas was over, but he is not. How about you look at gameplay and not placings? Speaking of placings, do not forget that Ninja got top 8 when it was unexpected.

Ripped. Nuff Said.
@Azul
Read the last paragraph. Haha, I guess I'm right, you can't read.
I'm done with this argument because it looks like I won about 5 posts ago. Like Gym said, back up your opinions.
I suggest you not to post until you learn how to argue. Maybe you should wait until puberty, your brain will actually work when it happens.
You didn't get ripped, you got torn to shreads. ;)

Btw, what I just did is called a "counter-arguement"
Your should look it up on dictionary.com

C'mon bro, I'm just waiting for another idiotic post from you.

[AZUL]

You take this way to seriously man i didn't even read the second half of post because i don't take this seriously good job you ripped oh im sorry tore someone to shreds* on the internet is that your biggest achievement ever or something? I have to ask because you make it seems that way.

The players i listed placing better than Ninja CAN mean they are better than him i have watched him play and i have watched everyone i listed play and in my opinion they are better than Ninja them placing better than him backs it up we have different opinions and your brains works if you have or haven't hit puberty not sure if you knew that but its good to know.

So are you really done with this argument?

[iUndrground]

You take this way to seriously man i didn't even read the second half of post because i don't take this seriously good job you ripped oh im sorry tore someone to shreds* on the internet is that your biggest achievement ever or something? I have to ask because you make it seems that way.

The players i listed placing better than Ninja CAN mean they are better than him i have watched him play and i have watched everyone i listed play and in my opinion they are better than Ninja them placing better than him backs it up we have different opinions and your brains works if you have or haven't hit puberty not sure if you knew that but its good to know.

So are you really done with this argument?

Don't be mad cause I proved you wrong. lol.
Good try though.

[AZUL]

How did you prove me wrong? I listed 14 players that i think are better than Ninja and I backed it up more like i proved you wrong and the first person to call someone mad is always the one who is mad.

[iUndrground]

You never backed anything up, you provided a statement which was opinion based.

Anyways, both of you should get over it.

haha. agreed. get over it azul.

[SmartzOvahShotz]

I beleive he said both.

[proCHEF_izCOOKN]

Turning Point imo is the only team that can really take down Instinct right now. With Adrenaline replacing best man they have a better slayer and objective player, walshy will always pull his own and Ninja and Mikwen are two great slayers. They match up pretty well talent wise, if they work on their teamwork I could see them beating Instinct next event, nobody is ready to take Instinct at Raleigh.


My fantasy team that could beat Instinct
Ninja-one of the sickest players in Reach
APG- has loads of talent, with a veteran leader could be amazing
Walshy-actually pretty good in Reach and has made Ninja a better player, not to mention is 20 odd tournament wins
RyaNoob/AReallyGoodNoob- one of the best players in reach imo, str8 is dumb to have dropped him
There is not a single "main slayer" here. Maybe Ninja with his sniper but they all play great objectively, are sneaky and they all have great shots, especially APG.

[TLN_Legacy]

The team that'll take down instinct.
Snipedown, Enable, Strongside, 4th
4th:
Assault
Hysteria
APG
Elamite
Heinz
or
OGRE1
if all else fails you could always just genetically clone the current Instinct team and give them a different name :)

[MidKnight]

... i will take down instinct. LOL

[iUndrground]

If it wasnt for Pistola, then Instinct would not be a god squad.

[Sasquatch]

I say Reality Check could beat them. JK

I think Turning Point right now has a good chance. I want to see Walshy get another event win.

[Harrison.Greenhalgh]

If it wasnt for Pistola, then Instinct would not be a god squad.

Really? Because I would rather have Roy then Pistola. The only reason instinct has lost a game at an event was because of a poor performance from pistols.