Why all the hate on reach?

[Phoenix]

I really dont understand whats with all the hate with reach. It has fauls i know. With the dmr being random and all but i dont understand why people are selling there copys to go back to playing halo 3. We all know halo 3 is horrible online, but just because halo 3 still has a MLG playlist dont call it better than reach just because you not as good at reach as you are at halo 3. I mean every second of halo dosent have to be compeative. I really just think people wanna complain about something to be honest. Im just tried of hearing how people are selling there copys of reach allready. O well Reach is gonna be on the circuit next year no matter what. Hopefully people will stop complaining when they see how good reach really is!

[nikdaquick1219]

Honestly i like both games but i prefer MLG v8 on Halo 3 over v1 on Reach. Mainly because i know by the time the game is officially on the circuit, whenever the first event is next year, the game will look and play immensely different than it does now. Wish the bloom could be removed but eh whatever. Anyway i still play Halo 3, but once nationals is over hopefully we get v2 and some more solid maps and settings, maybe even a playlist. Then ill game Reach hard, until then i prefer the MLG Halo 3 playlist tbh.


Though i do agree with you some people are overreacting selling their games and stuff, but you cant please everyone.

[TACO]

cool :cool:

[Psyclone]

People should understand Reach is still being worked on look back at H2 people that weren't their when it came out think it was great on release but it wasn't people hated it and then the update came and bam it fixed some issue it brought the button combos people can keep saying Reach sucks they can sell their copies but they will buy it again Reach is great right now and if bungie fixes they issue with the game right now and when the MLG playlist comes out Reach will be awesome.

[slippyal2]

Halo 3 was horrible until the MLG playlist. Halo 3 team hardcore had bubble shields and the other equipment crap. Bungie shafted Halo reach by not producing any good maps.

[forefront]

Humans reject change. It's our nature.

[Morgacht]

People, gamers especially, love to hate on everything. Just take it with a grain of salt and move on, the people whining are usually playing the game more than anyone.

[Roastbeef_253]

...but once nationals is over hopefully we get v2 and some more solid maps and settings, maybe even a playlist.

v2 already out, though not officially released. 95% of people are running v2 customs.

[TommyKost]

Reach is a great game. It is still relatively new, and due to the population getting used to the new features, there will be a lot of negativity and "hate" towards the game... however, give it 6 months to a year and that attitude will change. I think once Halo 3 is done and over with for MLG, a lot of people will start giving Reach the respect it deserves. Plus, if you think about it, since the game is new, there aren't many maps and definite settings out yet... once v3 and v4 come around I think things for MLG will change drastically... especially when we get our own playlist.

Just my .02

[blitzer19]

My only real complaint is how often spamming is rewarded.

[phreekopath]

spamming isn't near as effective on LAN...

[mrkillboy]

Does anyone understand what he just typed?

[B Rob]

I really dont understand whats with all the hate with reach. It has fauls i know. With the dmr being random and all but i dont understand why people are selling there copys to go back to playing halo 3. We all know halo 3 is horrible online, but just because halo 3 still has a MLG playlist dont call it better than reach just because you not as good at reach as you are at halo 3. I mean every second of halo dosent have to be compeative. I really just think people wanna complain about something to be honest. Im just tried of hearing how people are selling there copys of reach allready. O well Reach is gonna be on the circuit next year no matter what. Hopefully people will stop complaining when they see how good reach really is!


1 Question to all (maybe somebody wants to start at thread on it)

If Reach were the very first Halo game ever, do you think we would be so passionate about the series and new releases?

[Antidote]

I just wanna see more small symmetrical maps and i would really enjoy it.

[Mr P]

Once the Official game types come out and all is set I think everybody will Like it !!

[coreyisdaffy]

I don't think people hate on REACH at all, I think they hate on the DMR. I completely agree, bloom in the game makes DMR battles less efficient and basically dulls wathcing it, personally, I'd rather watch a H3 BR battle then a Reach DMR battle just because the bloom can be so random. I have a heavy feeling, bloom is going to be either completely taked out, reduced, or a BR will be added to replace it, the other mechanics of Reach are fine, but the inconsistant DMR is what has me staying with H3 for now.

[Warfighter Live]

Honestly, the only thing that I don't like about Reach is the grenade blast radius and how much damage they do. Everything else is amazing. The DMR, Pistol, and Sniper Rifle in Reach are the three most amazing weapons out of any other Halo game, except for the BR in Halo 2 and the Pistol from Halo: CE. And I don't care about the reticule bloom, because I always can figure out a way to prevent the bloom. If they didn't bring back the hit-scan system from Halo 2, then I wouldn't play Reach.

[HavkinKnight]

Does anyone understand what he just typed?


wow dude you say your Hardcore but you dont know what spamming means? its spamming your shot firing to fast for your bloom to reset causing you to miss alot.

[Transit]

Does anyone understand what he just typed?

I don't see what could be misunderstood here.

[B Rob]

Honestly, the only thing that I don't like about Reach is the grenade blast radius and how much damage they do. Everything else is amazing. The DMR, Pistol, and Sniper Rifle in Reach are the three most amazing weapons out of any other Halo game, except for the BR in Halo 2 and the Pistol from Halo: CE. And I don't care about the reticule bloom, because I always can figure out a way to prevent the bloom. If they didn't bring back the hit-scan system from Halo 2, then I wouldn't play Reach.

Except for the BR in H2 and Pistol in CE? LOLOLOLOL The only other weapon left is the BR is H3. So basically you're saying there is only 1 weapon it is better than (Halo 3 BR). So the DMR and Reach Pistol are the most amazing weapons in Halo ever, but only better than 1 ever. (The Sniper is the same 1 from H2, except for the added animation to disable glitches).

Just having fun, not giving you a hard time...Peace

[itwuzmagik]

I myself prefer reach. Halo 3 was the worst of all the halo's imo I hated it. H2 will always be my favorite. :) good thread though.

[Inexist]

I don't hate Reach its just I prefer Halo 3 atm, reasons are that Reach needs things changed I mean how easy is it to Snipe some one or even in the back of the head. DMR needs to be replaced or bloom needs to get destroyed, nade radius is quite ridiculous. A bulk of tweaking needs to be added.

Just wait a bit guys until a bit of changes have happend or wait for the MLG playlist imo.

Great thread mate.

[Phoenix]

Thanks guys. i was just really wondering what everyones opinion was on the matter. I got on halo 3 for the first time since reach came out and everyone was just trashing on reach. lol it pissed me off. O well, thanks anyway guys!


Once the Official game types come out and all is set I think everybody will Like it !!

Thanks Mr.P! I believe your right i was just getting pissed at people for trashing reach for the reasons they were!

[Shy]

Halo Reach blows. The maps ruin the game.

[SullyVan]

v2 already out, though not officially released. 95% of people are running v2 customs.

I can tell you now, if thoese are the setting's i wont be playing MLG TBH. ill just play for fun

[Synystars]

Bring back the BR and some half decent maps and i'll b set to play, but until then it will be MLG H3. Peace y'all.

[blitzer19]

Bring back the BR and some half decent maps and i'll b set to play, but until then it will be MLG H3. Peace y'all.

It's a new game, learn to adapt. It's like an old basketball player complaining about the three point line or shot clock. Times change, games change, if you don't want change go find a cave and live there. Don't mean to sound condescending but everybody else is learning to adapt. Plus Halo 3 was an abomination compared to H2 or H:CE, and Reach is giving what a lot of players wanted, a single shot primary weapon.

[Waterboy7]

Well first of all i would like to say there are a few things i do enjoy on Reach. For example, Sniper hit registration, Fire Fight, Campaign, Story line, Armor features ect ect. As far as competitively not so much. For these reasons especially. Armor Abilities to me does not make it a Halo game anymore. What was wrong with the run and gun Halo 2 an Halo 3 brought us? Nothing: those two game ARE the Pillar's of MLG competitiveness Game play. They drew in the crowds by the thousands and brought MLG sponsorships at the end of the road.

As far as accepting change? Well ask yourselves what Games on the MLG Circuit have lasted as long as Halo? Gears of War? nope - MW2? - nope - Shadow Run? nope. What other game on the MLG circuit have accomplished what Halo has? None correct? So why change the entire structure of the way Halo is played? I mean the so called "Bloom" Sprint Armor Lock Jet Packs.....wtf? Less is better sometimes.

The maps themselves do not feel like an arena type game anymore either. To broad and clutter everywhere. It's almost like we are playing ODST updated in a way. Spartans can't jump high... I mean what's that about?

So TBH. Ima going to stick to H3, TILL H4 is released by 343 Microsoft. I will give MLG a chance at the First Reach tourney, but will more likely stop watching all together, especially now that MLG will start charging in the near future.


Bring back the BR and some half decent maps and i'll b set to play, but until then it will be MLG H3. Peace y'all.

agree, but am only quoting you because i like and plus rep your sig :)

[phreekopath]

Hearing people say that Reach isn't competitive, or isn't set up for competitive play, yadda yadda, is the most ridiculous argument against the game. Bungie doesn't make games for MLG, they make games for Microsoft and the Xbox360. Bungie, like most companies, are doing this to make money. Putting so much time and effort to make an "MLG" game that would appeal solely to (lets be honest here) probably less than 10% of your target market makes absolutely no sense. It's a game, it's fun, mission accomplished, Bungie. Job well done.

Moving past that, if you look back at H3 in the beginning... they played ISOLATION. I mean, seriously? Then with the addition of DLC and Foundry and some above average forgers, we ended up with Onslaught and Amplified, dropped Isolation, and now *gasp* a third of the "competitive" maps are user created content. Now we move to Reach and Forge 2.0 which gives you a near limitless sandbox and you no longer have to rely on tricks and glitches to make a map, but people still complain there's no "good" maps. Here's an idea- get off your ass and make one. The tools are there, and apparently everyone has an idea of what the perfect MLG map should be, so get to it.

Speed, jump height, and general movement are options that can be fixed quickly and easily. And they're working on that, we know this.

So that leaves us with what, weapons? Well now... After all of the hatred to the H3 BR and it's random spread, poor shot registry (yes, even on LAN), blanks, etc. it saddens me to know that most of you would rather play a broken game with a broken weapon than something that actually works the way it should. Could it be that you relied on that randomness and the shot registry to be good at the game? Now that you're getting 5-shotted by kids who had a hard time 6-shotting in H3 all of a sudden it's the fault of the game that works properly. We all know the BR was random, and it had a spread, and to an extent it even had a bloom. As the 3-shot burst left the weapon, the recoil would kick and your shots would have a steady upward motion to them. Your third round would almost always hit about a foot or so higher than your first (depending on distance, of course). What's bad about this is that it's built into the code of the game and cannot be altered, at least by most. What the DMR brings us with it's bloom is the ability to control how random the weapon is. If that is above your IQ level, then I'm sorry, perhaps it would be better if you stayed in the dark ages of H3.

There's a lot of other things I could go into... netcode, host advantage, things like that... but to be short about this, the mechanics of the games are so similar that really, if you were "good" at Halo 3, but you "aren't" at Halo Reach, then perhaps you were really only good at exploiting the faults in H3 to your benefit... or you're the luckiest MoFo alive.

[TACO]

do you have any idea what you are talking about phreekopath? I highly doubt it...and isolation was the shit in H3....im surprised they didn't bring it back

[itwuzmagik]

Lol spamming would almost be more effective on lan at close range of course long range it would be less effective. From what i've seen at least.

[phreekopath]

do you have any idea what you are talking about phreekopath? I highly doubt it...and isolation was the shit in H3....im surprised they didn't bring it back

Discrediting the poster because you have no legitimate argument is a good strategy. Keep it up.

But magik, to your point, even at close range, spamming is effective period. The trick is knowing when to spam (or rather, what distance) and when not to. If your reticule is at full bloom, and is still smaller than your opponents body, spam your heart out. The problem is when you get spammed from distance and all 5 or 6 shots seem to hit their target.

And thereby spamming is going to be less effective on LAN simply based on the fact that there is less ping, delay, and host issues. Your shots will hit where you aim, not where you were aiming. If you are not host, and are getting spammed by the host, he's probably going to get that headshot. Since on LAN it is almost realtime movement, and your Spartan isn't (for lack of a better term) in two places at once (one being your location on the host box, and the other being the location on your box), he will inherently have less chance of landing that infamous lucky bullet.

[Waterboy7]

The bloom's spam is silly... plain and simple,

Since when did any Halo game have all the extra crap Reach does?..... I'm done here and with MLG. I'll make my final judgement after the first Reach MLG tournament with the pro's POV.


phreekopath

Now we move to Reach and Forge 2.0 which gives you a near limitless sandbox and you no longer have to rely on tricks and glitches to make a map, but people still complain there's no "good" maps. Here's an idea- get off your ass and make one. The tools are there, and apparently everyone has an idea of what the perfect MLG map should be, so get to it.

Uhhh I paid 160 dollars , so i can spend countless hours making a map where i would then have to ask people on FL and other players to try out a map their new too , and then take in criticism on how I should then go back to forge and tweet and fix something i believe is up to par? THEN repeat the process over and over and over.......

Scratch that! Reachs' Maps are horrible due to the restrictions it comes with plane and simple.

[phreekopath]

Just an observation... if when you make a map, and no one likes it, maybe you don't have an idea of what a good map really is... nothing against you in particular, just a general statement. Also, to that same point, you're never going to make everyone happy. Who cares, make a map that you like, play some customs, and switch it up. Not everyone was happy with the MLG gametypes in H3, either (probably why they ended up with 8 differnt versions of them)

Also, you paid $160 for a video game that you didn't even know you were going to like, then complain about it. That's your own fault. You could have preordered the game online for $45. Since apparently money is no object when it comes to you and gaming, how about you just go buy CoD? That's a good game, I hear. You don't even have to aim to kill someone with 2 stray bullets. Melee is a one-hit kill and you will play on the same field as people who have been purchasing upgrades for over a year. Sounds fair, and right up your alley.

The fact that everyone expects this game to be perfect, yet everyone has gripes about different aspects of the game, and praise others is just ludicrous and ignorant.

[Waterboy7]

^ LULZ.... I only bought the Legendary because I am a huge fan of the Halo Franchise. I bought the Halo 3 console 360 edition 07, Legendary H2, H3 and eventually Reach. I have read all the book series at that as well. I did not buy the Legendary edition for bragging rights, but as a hard core Halo fanatic that can answer any questions about the universe of Halo.

I am simply voicing my own opinion about how I feel about the new style of game play that comes with Reach. Of course I am going to kick and rant about a game that has changed the way it's played since 04 by adding perks to it's game play. I've never been a fan of any cod/mw2 game ever(How dare you mention those games to me :) ). So I'll take your criticism , but respectfully disagree with you opinion. To each his own at the end of the day

[phreekopath]

Take it in stride, my friend.

If this game played exactly like it did in '04, what would be the incentive to buy it? IMO if someone wants to play a game that plays exactly like Halo:CE, then go play Halo:CE. This discussion is about Reach. Reach is different, end of story. No amount of whining will change that. New maps and gametypes will be welcome additions though, I won't deny that.

[Forbidd3n]

I've been able to adapt to the DMR and have gotten pretty good at it (except for random cases of bad connection etc.). My biggest fault with Reach so far is with the maps. I know there is forge world but i personally think it will end up like foundry. All forge world maps have the same basic color schemes so I hope bungie comes out with some new maps geared for MLG use that are still visually attractive.

[Imp3nded]

I don't hate Reach. I find it to be on a much higher level than Halo 3 (much higher). However, I guess that's not saying much. I was amazing at Halo 3, and I've turned out to be pretty good at this game too. I'm having more fun in MLG's Reach gametypes than I did in Halo 3's. Also, there is no longer that sluggish, floaty, ice-skating, and unresponsive feel anymore. The gameplay is fast and the matches are always so intense. I can completely embarrass someone in this game, which was not as easy to do in H3... unless of course the connection was so bad that you could eat a couple shots to stay alive longer than you should have.

Overall, Reach is faster (that doesn't mean my spartan runs physically faster), more intense, and the skill-gap is much bigger than it was in H3. The maps actually promote more movement than Halo 3's maps did too (Except something like Heretic, Amp, and Onslaught... which 2 of those maps had to be made by members of our community).

I am SO happy that I can shoot my DMR across the map and actually have the shots register. 5-shotting in this game is more satisfying than 4-shotting in Halo 3 for me.

MY DMR IS ACTUALLY A THREAT TO A SNIPER! Thank god. It's about time.

Team Objective and MLG Customs all day. I love the group of friends here in the TLN community that loves to play customs together all the time. There's never a dull moment when Shelly, Heuer, and myself are on the same team. :) I can't wait to watch this game develop over the next 2-3 years.

Oh yea, I should add that this is my OPINION on this whole Reach vs Halo 3 debate, so please, don't tell me I'm wrong.

[phreekopath]

Awww imp I don't get credit for playing with you guys last night? I still don't know how I won that last FFA.

[Waterboy7]

1 Question to all (maybe somebody wants to start at thread on it)

If Reach were the very first Halo game ever, do you think we would be so passionate about the series and new releases?

I know I wouldn't be a part of it for sure. H1 got me into gaming in general, H2 made me obsessed, H3 enjoyed all the new competition, Reach makes me rage quit tbh.... So my answer is NO

[Adrenalize]

Reach is alright. but its a drastic change from H3 to Reach.

[Brwn]

People complained when halo 3 came out because it was different than halo 2, people just don't want to adapt to a different game.

[Waterboy7]

People complained when halo 3 came out because it was different than halo 2, people just don't want to adapt to a different game.

While that is a true statement it does not necessarily make it acceptable. While the transition from H2 to H3 was indeed different, it was also not as drastic of a change as H3 to Reach.

Yes, people do hate change and always will involving gaming, but while H1 to H2 to H3 change was still kept in it's realm it was not in Reach. Reach changed the games movement ( jumping;strafing;running) , weapons(Blooom; recoil; ect) , maps (too much clutter; restricted movement; ect) , mechanics (game play in general for competitive; perks; AA; ect) , play list(rank), and hud settings ( display on scoring, flag in/out of your base)

It's not about adapting to the same game. It is about adapting to a completely new game that changed the way Halo has been played for over 7 years. If Reach came out under a different title would it have been popular? ? ?

[Kamikazeewoks]

I hated Halo Reach when it came out and when the MLG Playlist came out i enjoyed Halo Reach a ton more because of that playlist alone.

[KRILLIN]

I like Reach but it doesn't seem to have a whole lot of legs with many people. It surprises me sometimes to see how few people are online.

[Kamikazeewoks]

I like Reach but it doesn't seem to have a whole lot of legs with many people. It surprises me sometimes to see how few people are online.
I agree with you krillin.

[NoNSeNsE]

As forefront stated, Humans reject change! And I think many complain because of 1. They just want to complain, 2. Because in many respects Reach takes a greater amount of skill due to the timing of the bloom in all, 3. Because many who were good at Halo 3 were not good at Halo CE, and Halo 2 which in my opinion took much more skill, and with Reach halo is in some respects or at least feels like its getting back towards it roots of being a skillful shooter. Of course many of you will argue the points that I just brought up, but please save it. I've heard it all before. Just merely my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. And you my friends are entitled to yours.

[PK Toolboxxx]

played with pros 2night for the first time. and actually enjoyed it even more.

[iHooligan]

played with pros 2night for the first time. and actually enjoyed it even more.

I knew I should've accepted your inv, I had the worst migraine imaginable

[PK Toolboxxx]

I knew I should've accepted your inv, I had the worst migraine imaginable

lol did u get my texts 2night?
and no worries dude. i get them from time to time. deff makes me go into a deep slumber in my room lol.

[iHooligan]

lol did u get my texts 2night?
and no worries dude. i get them from time to time. deff makes me go into a deep slumber in my room lol.

nah i sure didn't, u sure u put in the right number? i have verizon so idk why they wouldn't of come thru

[RagingChickens]

Reach is gunna be the most competitive halo yet

I think it needs some work before that happens. It could be a great game, but the bloom is inconsistent. I am not saying I hate the bloom, because I don't. I am just saying that it is inconsistent. You could spam 5 shot someone from across the map because you got really really lucky. That is something that they need to fix somehow. And I don't know even with that being fixed that it can ever top H3 or H2.

[TheOutlaw]

I personally like Reach but only time will tell how great it can become. Toping H2 or H3 is going be hard. Everything will start setting in around V5ish.

[RagingChickens]

I personally like Reach but only time will tell how great it can become. Toping H2 or H3 is going be hard. Everything will start setting in around V5ish.

If they had a patch for beatdowns, nades, and punishing spammers, this game could be set by V3. But Bungie would never ever do that.

[AntKeyyy]

I think it needs some work before that happens. It could be a great game, but the bloom is inconsistent. I am not saying I hate the bloom, because I don't. I am just saying that it is inconsistent. You could spam 5 shot someone from across the map because you got really really lucky. That is something that they need to fix somehow. And I don't know even with that being fixed that it can ever top H3 or H2.

Have you played the game on LAN yet? I haven't but I was just wondering.

*Edit*

Actually, I have. It was in D.C. though and I forget how well it played.

[Gearijigu]

I think that Halo 3 had the best mlg maps all of them were the perfect size and for the most part were symetrical which made for great gameplay. this may be a small gripe too but I think that they should bring back powerups timing them and using them well allowed for teams to come back even from fairly significant deficit

[AntKeyyy]

I think that Halo 3 had the best mlg maps all of them were the perfect size and for the most part were symetrical which made for great gameplay. this may be a small gripe too but I think that they should bring back powerups timing them and using them well allowed for teams to come back even from fairly significant deficit

The armor abilities and power weapons are on a timed spawn... Also, custom would rarely make a huge difference (5+ kills) on a pro level. However, I think they will be putting custom into later versions of the game.

[Gearijigu]

yeah there is still an element of timing things in reach but it just feels all around strange to me... that would be awesome if they were to introduce custom in later versions. what are your thoughts on sprint just being default and then just haveing powerups from there? I think that would solve a lot of the problems with reach at the moment

[AntKeyyy]

I like how it's set up currently. I'm not sure on how I would feel if they changed some stuff. If they took out sprint as starting I would be very opposed.

[TheOutlaw]

As it goes for V3 in some of the latest test maps I've seen Overshield & Invis back into the game along with KOTH gametype.

[RagingChickens]

I think that Halo 3 had the best mlg maps all of them were the perfect size and for the most part were symetrical which made for great gameplay.

Those maps were just so good. Compared to these awful Reach maps, they are godlike. I would give anything to be able to play reach on Narrows...*falls into a daydream*

[AntKeyyy]

Those maps were just so good. Compared to these awful Reach maps, they are godlike. I would give anything to be able to play reach on Narrows...*falls into a daydream*

Pit was annoying, I do miss the old maps though. However I am extremely fond of these maps too. Only map I dislike is reflection.

[TheOutlaw]

Pit was annoying, I do miss the old maps though. However I am extremely fond of these maps too. Only map I dislike is reflection.

I believe Reflection is being taken out in V3. I could be wrong but the Pros don't like it either and want it out.

[Highjinx]

I think that Halo 3 had the best mlg maps all of them were the perfect size and for the most part were symetrical which made for great gameplay. this may be a small gripe too but I think that they should bring back powerups timing them and using them well allowed for teams to come back even from fairly significant deficit

Halo 2 maps > Halo 3 > Reach maps. By far though Reach has the most potential to have the best maps ever made through forge, but the split screen lag must be fixed before we see some very interesting and well thought out maps on the circuit. The only way i see Reflection working is with KotH and it being modified so that some of the old halo 2 jumps are in it, and if they block out the back shotgun area.

For v3 flags on Zealot (not sure about countdown but more than likely) with no longer be touch return and go back to the halo 3 style. I think that was needed for both of the maps, since how much mobility you had on both maps.

[TalentFTW]

people hate on reach? omg!!!! no way

[americanbash]

I actually greatly enjoy Halo Reach.

[Rose]

Reach is fun to play -- but it's nothing compared to it's predecessors (Not really counting H3 -- that was meh). I generally get bored of watching Reach streams.. but I could never ever get tired of watching or playing Halo 2.

[Highjinx]

Reach is fun to play -- but it's nothing compared to it's predecessors (Not really counting H3 -- that was meh). I generally get bored of watching Reach streams.. but I could never ever get tired of watching or playing Halo 2.

I feel exactly the same way as you. I look back at some of the maps on halo 2 and just remember all the great memories i had playing it. Nothing beats out BRing someone with a quad shot or turning around and bxring the guy behind you.

[KRILLIN]

I enjoy the teamwork in Reach. It will be a lot more fun to play with some additional maps.

[N!TRO]

Yea I like both games in different ways imo

[Gweedo888]

I enjoy the teamwork in Reach. It will be a lot more fun to play with some additional maps.


Yea I like both games in different ways imo

agreed i think reach is a much more team orineted game not saying the others were they were just alot easier to win a 1v1 lol but i am starting to enjoy it more and more

[Gearijigu]

Those maps were just so good. Compared to these awful Reach maps, they are godlike. I would give anything to be able to play reach on Narrows...*falls into a daydream*

my main gripe is that they are entirely too big and they have the symetry of a amorphous blob... have you managed to find any really good forge recreations of the old halo 3 maps?

[fataliation]

I really dont understand whats with all the hate with reach. It has fauls i know. With the dmr being random and all but i dont understand why people are selling there copys to go back to playing halo 3. We all know halo 3 is horrible online, but just because halo 3 still has a MLG playlist dont call it better than reach just because you not as good at reach as you are at halo 3. I mean every second of halo dosent have to be compeative. I really just think people wanna complain about something to be honest. Im just tried of hearing how people are selling there copys of reach allready. O well Reach is gonna be on the circuit next year no matter what. Hopefully people will stop complaining when they see how good reach really is!

because kids are mad that you can't be good at this game if you have a "nasty br, or beast snipes" theres so much more in this game that you have to take into consideration. There may not be as much individual skill (as in raw dmr and snipe skills) but as far as individual smarts it far out weighs halo 3.

[N!TRO]

my main gripe is that they are entirely too big and they have the symetry of a amorphous blob... have you managed to find any really good forge recreations of the old halo 3 maps?

http://www.mlgforge.com/remakes.html

These guys here I think are doing a pretty good job at it