halo reach dmr

[dirtygary]

personally i dont think that bungie should change to the dmr. the br is how they have done it forever and thats what i love about the game. the 3 burst is what makes those br battles fun to watch. i am not excited about the new one shot dmr. i was wondering anyone else's thoughts on the new weapon and even the old one.

[moose7785]

There is no BR in Reach, and I am pretty sure they want to make a switch for the circuit next year.

[dirtygary]

i know there isnt a br in reach. my point is they should bring it back.

[Krazer]

too bad forever for you is halo 2/3, DMR is a better weapon stop complaining

[ScarJordan]

If your saying u want to stick to a Br. you dont like change. nuff said

[Sam is Psycho]

i just hope MLG uses the pistol as the starting weapon. it's more like a BR than the DMR, as in it's more versatile. the DMR feels too awkward fighting in close quarters, but that's just me.

[vontoxic]

I like the DMR alot and Halo Reach doesn't have a BR due to the timeline I think. Halo reach is a prequel to the trilogy.

[Phoenix]

nah the dmr is a much better weapon. Your just so used to the br and will take time to like it. I mean just use the pistol at close range and then use dmr to put shots into people at long ranges.

[Clark]

Change is sometimes good, I am excited to use the DMR instead of the BR.

[Imp3nded]

... THANK GOD THE BR IS GONE. It doesn't even deserve a 'R.I.P.' on its grave. I welcome the DMR with open arms. We finally have a gun that is actually effective at mid-long to long range. *dances*

[Easy E]

halo reach is one of the first wars of halo of course the dmr is going to have 1 shot... people are saying they want the br (3 round burst) but reach is one of the first wars so they didnt have the technology till halo 2 for the 3 round burst

[dirtygary]

congrats to all of you who obviously cant use a br. my point isnt that i dont want change. my point is that idont think that the dmr is going to be an effective weapon. the br was the main weapon of choice for a reason and it's fun to watch. it is more high paced. and for all of you complaining about the br, the bloom and the single shot are not going to make you any better at the game.

[Krazer]

I cant believe you labeled the br as an effective weapon

[vontoxic]

If you really want a BR in Reach start a petition (even though it wont help because the reason why there isn't a BR in Reach is because of the time line this game falls under). And how is the DMR not an effective weapon? It works long, medium, and short range. Weapons in Halo 3 had bloom, its most noticeable with the AR. The bloom was there it just had no markers to identify it and its more important in Reach.

[Imp3nded]

You just called the BR an effective weapon... LOL. And no, most of the people who are happy about the BR being gone, are the same people that destroy with it (which actually isn't that hard to do). The BR's spread cripples the gun, so that it is ineffective at mid-long to long range weapon. The DMR gives faster kill times than the H3 BR mid-long to long range (like it's supposed to, it's not meant for close-range), and the Pistol will provide faster kill times than the H3 BR in close to mid range. Both weapons kill faster for their intended purposes. If you honestly want to keep that garbage H3 BR, then go ahead and continue playing H3.

You'd be able to land a perfect 5-shot with the DMR from Cannon to Cannon on Narrows. It is impossible to do this with the H3 BR even on LAN. Not even the pros do it.

I love a single-shot weapon that will actually register. I dislike a burst-fire gun with a spread that won't register all its shots and can't even shoot a reasonable distance.

[vontoxic]

You just called the BR an effective weapon... LOL. And no, most of the people who are happy about the BR being gone, are the same people that destroy with it (which actually isn't that hard to do). The BR's spread cripples the gun, so that it is ineffective at mid-long to long range weapon. The DMR gives faster kill times than the H3 BR mid-long to long range (like it's supposed to, it's not meant for close-range), and the Pistol will provide faster kill times than the H3 BR in close to mid range. Both weapons kill faster for their intended purposes. If you honestly want to keep that garbage H3 BR, then go ahead and continue playing H3.

You'd be able to land a perfect 5-shot with the DMR from Cannon to Cannon on Narrows. It is impossible to do this with the H3 BR even on LAN. Not even the pros do it.

I love a single-shot weapon that will actually register. I dislike a burst-fire gun with a spread that won't register all its shots and can't even shoot a reasonable distance.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner folks! Great explanation Imp3nded. ;)

[Montageee]

What? the BR does perfectly fine in mid-range and long range. The people who hate the new dmr are the people who are really good and competitive at H3. im a gen 50 in mlg and i am honestly thinking of not even playing reach. There are way too many changes and the "dmr" just ruins it for me. Make it the normal 3 shot burst and dont make the radical expand. right now its way too hard to use. And i know ill get used to it but it just one more thing that makes Reach Modern Warfare 3 (with jetpacks and camo) in my opinion

[Imp3nded]

What? the BR does perfectly fine in mid-range and long range. The people who hate the new dmr are the people who are really good and competitive at H3. im a gen 50 in mlg and i am honestly thinking of not even playing reach. There are way too many changes and the "dmr" just ruins it for me. Make it the normal 3 shot burst and dont make the radical expand. right now its way too hard to use. And i know ill get used to it but it just one more thing that makes Reach Modern Warfare 3 (with jetpacks and camo) in my opinion

Lol? The H3 BR is one of the most hated guns in competitive gaming. Ask ANY Pro when they do their interview. It's TRASH.

[Hi im Jakey]

You just called the BR an effective weapon... LOL. And no, most of the people who are happy about the BR being gone, are the same people that destroy with it (which actually isn't that hard to do). The BR's spread cripples the gun, so that it is ineffective at mid-long to long range weapon. The DMR gives faster kill times than the H3 BR mid-long to long range (like it's supposed to, it's not meant for close-range), and the Pistol will provide faster kill times than the H3 BR in close to mid range. Both weapons kill faster for their intended purposes. If you honestly want to keep that garbage H3 BR, then go ahead and continue playing H3.

You'd be able to land a perfect 5-shot with the DMR from Cannon to Cannon on Narrows. It is impossible to do this with the H3 BR even on LAN. Not even the pros do it.

I love a single-shot weapon that will actually register. I dislike a burst-fire gun with a spread that won't register all its shots and can't even shoot a reasonable distance.

This guy right here.

[dirtygary]

i hope youre joking. that just shows me that you dont know how to use a br. you need to lead your shots. its going to be the same for the dmr. hahaha you think its impossible to shoot people when they go over cannon. have you really never seen anyone do it or done it yourself. the br is effective at close range, mid range, and long range. thats why mlg uses it because its the most effective weapon. sorry everybody i was not trying to start any fights with this thread i just wanted to know how people felt and i now know that reach is not a sequel and that is a prequel. it makes sense with the timeline my fault everyone.

[Imp3nded]

i hope youre joking. that just shows me that you dont know how to use a br. you need to lead your shots. its going to be the same for the dmr. hahaha you think its impossible to shoot people when they go over cannon. have you really never seen anyone do it or done it yourself. the br is effective at close range, mid range, and long range. thats why mlg uses it because its the most effective weapon.

Did you actually read what I said? I didn't say while they're going over cannon. I said from one cannon to the other team's cannon. Have someone stand on one base's cannon (halfway from the cannon and the back wall) and have you stand on your cannon (halfway from the cannon and the back wall). Have him run across cannon in a straight line.. then you shoot at him four times, he will not die. That's the definition of a very crappy weapon.

The BR takes FOREVER to kill just from Pink 3 to Car 3 while in gameplay and both players are moving.

And hey, guess what, the DMR is hitscan. This means you don't lead your shots with the DMR.

And MLG uses the H3 BR because it's the only weapon they can use... Stop arguing about something that's false. DMR > BR, not much more needs to be said about it.

[heuer89]

No matter how much you whine it isn't going to change anything. The DMR will be the primary weapon in competitive Reach games. Heck, MLG might go back to using more than 5 weapons in their gametypes.

[blitzer19]

I give all you people complaining about the change. Learn to adapt, it's what all new games are about.


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[Krazer]

What? the BR does perfectly fine in mid-range and long range. The people who hate the new dmr are the people who are really good and competitive at H3. im a gen 50 in mlg and i am honestly thinking of not even playing reach. There are way too many changes and the "dmr" just ruins it for me. Make it the normal 3 shot burst and dont make the radical expand. right now its way too hard to use. And i know ill get used to it but it just one more thing that makes Reach Modern Warfare 3 (with jetpacks and camo) in my opinion

Imp3nded stop trying man just look at what they say lol

[DrunkTiger]

I'm a fan of the BR but I like the DMR just the same. MLG used the pistol in Halo: CE which was a single shot. Halo: Reach is going back to its roots. The game is going to be amazing! Hit scan is going to make it way better. Im pumped and everyone else should be to.

People complained when Halo 3 came onto the circuit and im guilty of being one of them. But people are going to complain when Reach hits the circuit too. Halo 3 had a good run and I had a lot of fun but its time to move on to something new.

I <3 DMR

The bloom is going going to separate the good from the bad. Reach is going to have intense competition

[ArrYeMatey]

It's great that the DMR is replacing the BR, but the best part about reach is the return of the pistol. Oh yes.

[aratio]

Unless there are options for shots per clip, I won't be using the pistol very often. I am in love with the DMR though. Reminds me of SR Rifle.

[Araneatrox]

Unless there are options for shots per clip, I won't be using the pistol very often. I am in love with the DMR though. Reminds me of SR Rifle.

I dont know why but during the beta i had real problems with the DMR, one of the reasons why i loved the pistol so much, i will see how the DMR feels after all the changes were done before i make my mind up on what i will be using as a primary

[Smallz08]

I loved the DMR on the beta but what about the needle rifle? does anyone like that gun? Me personally I loved using it on the beta and it felt like a slightly better weapon than the DMR. Any thoughts?

[KillerMackem]

I LOVE the DMR compared to the BR. It's actually effective from mid to long distances. Will come in handy for that pesky sniper camping at the back.

[vontoxic]

I loved the DMR on the beta but what about the needle rifle? does anyone like that gun? Me personally I loved using it on the beta and it felt like a slightly better weapon than the DMR. Any thoughts?

The Needle Rifle takes 7 shots to kill, 6 body shots and 1 to the head Or 3 more body shots for the needles to explode. The DMR on the other hand is 5 shots to kill, 4 body shots and 1 to the head or 3 more body shots. The Needle Rifle can shoot faster with a smaller bloom but the DMR takes less shots to kill. It evens out if you think abut it so the kill rate is about the same.

I would still go with the DMR though.

[heuer89]

I dont know why but during the beta i had real problems with the DMR, one of the reasons why i loved the pistol so much, i will see how the DMR feels after all the changes were done before i make my mind up on what i will be using as a primary

Well part of the problem was that for headshots to register in the beta you had to aim just a bit over their head. They fixed that hitbox problem before the beta ended so everything should be good at launch. I'm guessing that you're going to like it much more than you did in the beta.

[FiberOptix]

Hopefully Dmr/pistol start for mlg

[Smallz08]

The Needle Rifle takes 7 shots to kill, 6 body shots and 1 to the head Or 3 more body shots for the needles to explode. The DMR on the other hand is 5 shots to kill, 4 body shots and 1 to the head or 3 more body shots. The Needle Rifle can shoot faster with a smaller bloom but the DMR takes less shots to kill. It evens out if you think abut it so the kill rate is about the same.

I would still go with the DMR though.

Got ya I just assumed it was the same 5 shot kill as the DMR. thanks for the info and input.

[blitzer19]

Change things up a little bit, bigger maps - DMR start, smaller maps - pistol start

[itwuzmagik]

My personal opinion is this, the DMR will be a lot like the H2 BR for this reason the Burst in the H2 BR didn't have a spread over distance at all. It was as if you were shooting one bullet. Yes the DMR takes 5 shots instead of four, and yes unlike the BR it has a Bloom but hey it is much better than H3 imo. I personally hated H3 and i'm very glad to see it gone. I'm also loving the return of the H1 pistol, in terms of the zoom at least :) (yes I am aware that the Reach pistol is not 3 shots to kill)

[irvnasty]

I like the idea of DMR + Pistol starts. It allows more variety in terms of weapons use and also opens up the potential for someone to record great individual multikills with the extra ammunition. In terms of the DMR's actual characteristics, I think it sounds (and seemed) preferable to the Halo 3 BR, although the kill time is somewhat longer. It will be interesting to see if the longer kill time will encourage bolder map movement and reward teamshot as opposed to individual play-making. It's probably just too early to tell.

[itwuzmagik]

I like the idea of DMR + Pistol starts. It allows more variety in terms of weapons use and also opens up the potential for someone to record great individual multikills with the extra ammunition. In terms of the DMR's actual characteristics, I think it sounds (and seemed) preferable to the Halo 3 BR, although the kill time is somewhat longer. It will be interesting to see if the longer kill time will encourage bolder map movement and reward teamshot as opposed to individual play-making. It's probably just too early to tell.

I believe that it will be the exact same amount of team base as there is in H3. Yeah its one more shot for a kill but still I think it won't be much of a change in pace or teamwork.

[Shy]

My personal opinion is this, the DMR will be a lot like the H2 BR for this reason the Burst in the H2 BR didn't have a spread over distance at all. It was as if you were shooting one bullet. Yes the DMR takes 5 shots instead of four, and yes unlike the BR it has a Bloom but hey it is much better than H3 imo. I personally hated H3 and i'm very glad to see it gone. I'm also loving the return of the H1 pistol, in terms of the zoom at least :) (yes I am aware that the Reach pistol is not 3 shots to kill)

In the beta:

Pistol > DMR
However Bungie said they fixed the DMR. When I was playing the Beta (only played a couple of games) it seemed like I couldn't hit any of my shots. Like the aim was on point it just wasn't hitting them. Even in swat it seemed like I had to 7 shot every kid for them to die. I'm glad they fixed it.

[itwuzmagik]

In the beta:

Pistol > DMR
However Bungie said they fixed the DMR. When I was playing the Beta (only played a couple of games) it seemed like I couldn't hit any of my shots. Like the aim was on point it just wasn't hitting them. Even in swat it seemed like I had to 7 shot every kid for them to die. I'm glad they fixed it.

Well you could also suck with the dmr :) hint hint lol jk but really i had no problems with the dmr i found it to be a great weapon.

[heuer89]

I like the idea of DMR + Pistol starts. It allows more variety in terms of weapons use and also opens up the potential for someone to record great individual multikills with the extra ammunition. In terms of the DMR's actual characteristics, I think it sounds (and seemed) preferable to the Halo 3 BR, although the kill time is somewhat longer. It will be interesting to see if the longer kill time will encourage bolder map movement and reward teamshot as opposed to individual play-making. It's probably just too early to tell.

I really hope it would consider bolder map movement. I'm really getting sick of Pit TS standoffs every 2 minutes. The most recent examples I can think of that really stick out to me are PwR v Str8 and TD v Instinct at Raleigh. I wanted to fall asleep during both those matches...

[Shy]

Well you could also suck with the dmr :) hint hint lol jk but really i had no problems with the dmr i found it to be a great weapon.

It just seemed the last shot never killed. I know when I'm hitting someone. I had no problem whipping out the pistol and raping every kid that walked in front of me :) I didn't play the beta enough to use the new weapons though. Like the grenade launcher and other weapons. Still excited to use them.

[Dizaster]

1. The DMR is a change...Thank god.
2. You got to remember Reach was before Halo 1/2/3's time

[heuer89]

1. The DMR is a change...Thank god.
2. You got to remember Reach was before Halo 1/2/3's time

From the beginning of Halo:Reach to the end of Halo 3 is a timespan of only 1-2 years. It isn't a huge amount of time... The end of Halo:Reach is basically the beginning of Halo:CE. :)

[forefront]

The ship that Master Chief is on at the beginning of CE is actually an escape ship leaving Reach isn't it?

[itwuzmagik]

The ship that Master Chief is on at the beginning of CE is actually an escape ship leaving Reach isn't it?

^ Correct Pillar of Autumn (if i'm not mistaken)

[Shy]

From the beginning of Halo:Reach to the end of Halo 3 is a timespan of only 1-2 years. It isn't a huge amount of time... The end of Halo:Reach is basically the beginning of Halo:CE. :)

I'm not good with like how the story line goes in Halo. It just looks like every weapon in Reach is updated from all of the previous games. Like a NEWER weapon. Maybe it's just the graphics that make it look like it. I'm excited to play the campaign for Reach. I wasn't that big on Halo 3 Campaign even though I played it like 923840 times on solo legendary.

[heuer89]

I'm not good with like how the story line goes in Halo. It just looks like every weapon in Reach is updated from all of the previous games. Like a NEWER weapon. Maybe it's just the graphics that make it look like it. I'm excited to play the campaign for Reach. I wasn't that big on Halo 3 Campaign even though I played it like 923840 times on solo legendary.

The reason the weapons look so much better is partially because of the new graphics engine. The main reason is because the planet Reach was the Spartan II's training grounds basically. This is why it seams why the weapons are so "new", it's because they got to play with all the nice powerful prototype weapons. :) And since Reach was destroyed / glassed, virtually all that technology would have to be rebuilt from scratch.

[Shy]

The reason the weapons look so much better is partially because of the new graphics engine. The main reason is because the planet Reach was the Spartan II's training grounds basically. This is why it seams why the weapons are so "new", it's because they got to play with all the nice powerful prototype weapons. :) And since Reach was destroyed / glassed, virtually all that technology would have to be rebuilt from scratch.

I kind of got a better understanding now. Thanks.

[Waterboy7]

Why do you people keep saying the BR-55 didn't exist on Reach????

It DOES exist before the Halo 1,2,3.... If you guys read the book series you would now it does exist on Reach.

Check out the book Evolutions, the book consist of mini stories about Halo universe. I could look it up if you guys want me to also

The BR DID EXIST ON REACH...............

[itwuzmagik]

Why do you people keep saying the BR-55 didn't exist on Reach????

It DOES exist before the Halo 1,2,3.... If you guys read the book series you would now it does exist on Reach.

Check out the book Evolutions, the book consist of mini stories about Halo universe. I could look it up if you guys want me to also

The BR DID EXIST ON REACH...............

I'm aware of this but lets stay on topic.
Reach dmr as in the weapon we will be using in reach :)

[Waterboy7]

halo reach is one of the first wars of halo of course the dmr is going to have 1 shot... people are saying they want the br (3 round burst) but reach is one of the first wars so they didnt have the technology till halo 2 for the 3 round burst

LULZ, yeah they didnt have the technology to have a weapon with burst, but did have the technology to make spartans fly, sprint, and shields all on their suits.

People do us a favor if you have not READ the book series dont post and place FAKE facts. The BR did exist on Reach.....ROAR!! look it up on Evolutions a Halo book series recently released. Also it is mentioned on "The Fall of Reach" by Eric Nylon.

[heuer89]

LULZ, yeah they didnt have the technology to have a weapon with burst, but did have the technology to make spartans fly, sprint, and shields all on their suits.

People do us a favor if you have not READ the book series dont post and place FAKE facts. The BR did exist on Reach.....ROAR!! look it up on Evolutions a Halo book series recently released. Also it is mentioned on "The Fall of Reach" by Eric Nylon.

You seem to be walking a fine line so I will address this off-topic post. Keep your cool please. :) I agree that this statement by Easy E:

halo reach is one of the first wars of halo of course the dmr is going to have 1 shot... people are saying they want the br (3 round burst) but reach is one of the first wars so they didnt have the technology till halo 2 for the 3 round burst
is inaccurate (I explained this in my post earlier that all the games in Bungie's Halo series only span between one and two years). But that is no reason to go after a post that is over two weeks old. If you believe someone posts something that is incorrect, please stay respectful. We do not want any hostility on these forums.


I'm aware of this but lets stay on topic.
Reach dmr as in the weapon we will be using in reach :)

Thank you Magik for trying to keep this on topic. It is appreciated.

On topic: I think the single-shot DMR will be fantastic because controlling how you shoot is going to play a big factor in whether your shots hit or not.

[Jewjitsu]

i don't know about anyone else here, but i my biggest problem with reach is the hitscan. i liked the fact that you had to lead your shots in H3, i thought it added more difficulty to the game. also, if there was a bad connection, such as australia, all you had to do to hit targets was lead a bit farther. In reach, that's not the case because of the hitscan. if you play australians, you're screwed. at least that's how it was for me in the beta. another problem with the DMR is luck. if u get into a 1 on 1 dmr battle, you might decide to take your time while the other guy will shoot as fast as he can, and he might get lucky and have all 5 shots hit you. with H3 the BR always had the same fire rate, and it was just the better player, not the luckier one, to win the battle. those are just my thoughts. i will always say that H3 will always be the most fair and balanced game ever made.

and i hope to god that mlg disables armor abilities. that stuff is so silly.

[itwuzmagik]

i don't know about anyone else here, but i my biggest problem with reach is the hitscan. i liked the fact that you had to lead your shots in H3, i thought it added more difficulty to the game. also, if there was a bad connection, such as australia, all you had to do to hit targets was lead a bit farther. In reach, that's not the case because of the hitscan. if you play australians, you're screwed. at least that's how it was for me in the beta. another problem with the DMR is luck. if u get into a 1 on 1 dmr battle, you might decide to take your time while the other guy will shoot as fast as he can, and he might get lucky and have all 5 shots hit you. with H3 the BR always had the same fire rate, and it was just the better player, not the luckier one, to win the battle. those are just my thoughts. i will always say that H3 will always be the most fair and balanced game ever made.

not always true in h3 about the whole luck thing the br has a spread so if you were medium range to long range only a part of your spray could hit allowing you to die to a player who isn't on your lvl.

[Brixxx]

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[ZeroKelviN]

I'm not saying bungie are going to do this or whatever but is it possible to bring out an update by bungie on XBL to include a BR in Reach at some point in the future, its just a general question about whether or not it is possible ?

[forefront]

I'm not saying bungie are going to do this or whatever but is it possible to bring out an update by bungie on XBL to include a BR in Reach at some point in the future, its just a general question about whether or not it is possible ?

I think they would have to redo a lot of coding for a change like this. I don't think DLC would be capable of it. I could be wrong though. Technology is amazing.

[heuer89]

I'm not saying bungie are going to do this or whatever but is it possible to bring out an update by bungie on XBL to include a BR in Reach at some point in the future, its just a general question about whether or not it is possible ?

Technically, yes it is possible with DLC (see examples of Racing games that you can get new cars in, etc) but I can 99.9% guarantee you they will not be including the BR in any DLC. DLC most likely be exclusively maps just like in the previous games. It is safe to assume that the DMR is going to be the primary weapon for competitive REACH gameplay with the Needle Rifle, Pistol, Sniper Rifle, and Rockets mixed in. I'm sure there will be a couple other weapons thrown in as well but we'll just have to see when it launches.

[itwuzmagik]

Technically, yes it is possible with DLC (see examples of Racing games that you can get new cars in, etc) but I can 99.9% guarantee you they will not be including the BR in any DLC. DLC most likely be exclusively maps just like in the previous games. It is safe to assume that the DMR is going to be the primary weapon for competitive REACH gameplay with the Needle Rifle, Pistol, Sniper Rifle, and Rockets mixed in. I'm sure there will be a couple other weapons thrown in as well but we'll just have to see when it launches.

Plasma pistol and needler ftw. I also think we should spawn secondary spikers. I do work with some spikers. (Don't take anything i said seriously)

[Araneatrox]

Right in a effort to stop all the off topic flaming, think of it this way.

In H1 there was a pistol, H2 was released and people had to get used to the BR. H3 had the updated BR with more spread on the shots and no hitscan on it.

Now we have a new game(Set before Halo 1) So no BR was designed so they needed to introduce something that would fit in with the competitive play as well as not being overpowered. Its a new game, your are going to have to get used to the changes once again.

[Waterboy7]

BR Halo 2 > All , but i can adjust to the DMR .... i just cant adjust to it's Bloom

[Pupp3t]

I'm welcoming the DMR with open arms. Oh yeah, and that pistol too.

[phreekopath]

I don't see the big deal about the bloom...

the H3 BR had a set time you had to wait to pull the trigger again... pull too fast and nothing happens, pull too slow and you fall behind in your 4-shot battle (assuming the other guy is as good/better)

It was all about timing... but time always moved in one direction.

I see the DMR and it's reticule bloom as extremely similar. The only change is that you can pull too early and still fire. Your aim won't be as "dead-on" as if you time it properly, however, because of the bloom.

Soooo kiddies:
When battling someone at distance, take your time, aim, fire. Space your shots, catch your breath, let the bloom subside, and fire again.
When you're up close, spam the hell out of the trigger, get your 4 poorly-aimed body shots, then calm down, steady your gun, and send that 5th round through his dome.

The bloom time on the DMR isn't too different than the "dead time" on the BR (the moment between trigger pulls when nothing happens), just find your rhythm and go with it.

[Antidote]

They had prototype BR for a while as it was mentioned in the book about Harvest where they first encountered the covenant. The DMR just feels right since there is no spread. Its all about accuracy and timing of shots with the bloom. I think it will separate those who depended on the spread of the BR from those who are more accurate. Just my opinion though.

[coreyisdaffy]

The DMR is garbage and any decent player knows that, nuff said.

[Imp3nded]

DMR > BR. nuff said

[Arkcanine]

DMR BR to me it doesn't matter really I remember back when the pistoL was the main weapon..lols anyways for those who haven't had to make a switch yet...with time you will either like it or not...it will make you the kid who plays hard and wins matchs in matchmaking or the kid who nerd rages on the bottom of the list about how much this game sux..the games good..with time even better imo.

[VisualEvolution]

The DMR is garbage and any decent player knows that, nuff said.

http://overpixelated.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/picard-facepalm2.jpg

[ITCHY]

Personally I'm loving the DMR. I have had moments when I get pretty upset when someone out DMR'd me by spamming shots and managing to land them on my head while I could never do the same though. It will take time to learn its strengths and weaknesses and be able to cater my game play to those, but I like it. OT: The pistol seems to be able to spam shots however and still land headshots rather easily in mid/close range battles in comparison to the DMR though. IMO.

[phreekopath]

Itchy, if you go into forge world, stand on a rock out in the water, and just spam the pistol into the water, then do the same with the DMR. the pistol's spread is far greater than the dmr's at full bloom. I believe the fire rate it just higher, so by having more bullets in the air, you're more likely to get that headshot at close/mid range. It's a bit of luck I think, kind of like the H3 BR @ long range... but with Reach's better shot registry it just seems more consistent.

[Shy]

BR > Pistol > DMR.
The feeling when out DMRing someone doesn't feel the same as it did when out BRing someone.

[ITCHY]

BR > Pistol > DMR.
The feeling when out DMRing someone doesn't feel the same as it did when out BRing someone.

Not yet at least, although we can only hope it gets there soon.

[Antidote]

Right now you don't get that out BR feeling like H3 because you will stand there and watch some guy shoot at you 12 times or so just to get 5 shot by you. Its not really a "Get owned!" feeling so much as it is you sitting there and going "lawl (>_<)" as you imagine them complaining you were eating shot.

Hopefully this gets better once MLG comes out with their games and the it gets more competitive.

[I RiF I]

I have withheld judgement on the DMR until I had plenty of experience with it. Here is my opinion.
I like and dislike the DMR Bloom. My problem with it is by three shots of spamming, the bloom is outside is crosshair circle. Now this is where Bungie messed up. After three shots RNG is introduced (maybe a little bit on the second shot but not enough to really make a difference). For those of you who don't know RNG stands for Random Number Generaton and its something most game developers try to avoid because it introduces too much luck. This means that while shooting your last two, three, four , five and so on and so forth shots, the bullets can go anywhere in that huge circle. This is a problem because it means at the outset of any DMR battle the luckier player always has a chance to win instead of the most skilled.
For Example, Lets say you do like I do and spam your first 3 shots, wait for the bloom to come down then shoot the last two. This is an effective method, but even if I do that perfectly, 5 headshots, the other player still has a luck chance if he spams all 5 to win. This is not based on skill but pure luck. Some people may like this. But those people are usually people with inferior skill who must rely on luck to kill better players.
My Solution: I am fully aware that this will never happen but here goes nothing: The DMR's bloom should not come into play until the sixth shot. They should make the bloom smaller to where if you shoot as fast as the DMR can, the first 5 shots hit where you are aiming, then on the sixth and thereafter, the bloom becomes big. This would give skilled players a chance to land a 5 shot based on their skill, and punish them for not doing so. That is my opinion. Sorry it was so long. Had to get that off of my chest.

[Fierce]

I have withheld judgement on the DMR until I had plenty of experience with it. Here is my opinion.
I like and dislike the DMR Bloom. My problem with it is by three shots of spamming, the bloom is outside is crosshair circle. Now this is where Bungie messed up. After three shots RNG is introduced (maybe a little bit on the second shot but not enough to really make a difference). For those of you who don't know RNG stands for Random Number Generaton and its something most game developers try to avoid because it introduces too much luck. This means that while shooting your last two, three, four , five and so on and so forth shots, the bullets can go anywhere in that huge circle. This is a problem because it means at the outset of any DMR battle the luckier player always has a chance to win instead of the most skilled.
For Example, Lets say you do like I do and spam your first 3 shots, wait for the bloom to come down then shoot the last two. This is an effective method, but even if I do that perfectly, 5 headshots, the other player still has a luck chance if he spams all 5 to win. This is not based on skill but pure luck. Some people may like this. But those people are usually people with inferior skill who must rely on luck to kill better players.
My Solution: I am fully aware that this will never happen but here goes nothing: The DMR's bloom should not come into play until the sixth shot. They should make the bloom smaller to where if you shoot as fast as the DMR can, the first 5 shots hit where you are aiming, then on the sixth and thereafter, the bloom becomes big. This would give skilled players a chance to land a 5 shot based on their skill, and punish them for not doing so. That is my opinion. Sorry it was so long. Had to get that off of my chest.

Agree, was talking about this yesterday. Can't stand timing my shots and a spammer kills me.